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Han Kang The Nobel Prize in Literature is awarded to South Korean poet and novelist Han Kang (pictured). The Nobel Prize in Chemistry is divided, with half awarded to Demis Hassabis and John M. Jumper for their work on protein structure prediction and the other half to David Baker for his work on computational protein design. Hurricane Milton makes landfall in the U.S. state of Florida. John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton receive the Nobel Prize in Physics for their research in machine learning with artificial neural networks. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war Israel–Hezbollah conflict Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Recent deaths: George Baldock Zaw Myint Maung Ifigenia Martínez y Hernández Lore Segal Brian Hastings Lily Ebert view — page history — related changes — edit

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October 13

Portal:Current events/2024 October 13

October 13, 2024 (2024-10-13) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip A family of eight are killed in an Israeli airstrike on a home at the Nuseirat refugee camp in central Gaza Strip. (AP) 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon Israeli strikes destroy an Ottoman-era market in Nabatieh, Lebanon, killing at least one person and injuring four others. (Toronto Sun) Hezbollah–Israel conflict At least 20 people are injured, three of them critically and five seriously, when a Hezbollah drone strikes Binyamina-Giv'at Ada, Israel. (The Times of Israel) Politics and elections 2024 Lithuanian parliamentary election Lithuanians go to the polls to elect the new members of the Seimas in its first round. (Associated Press) 2024 Macanese Chief Executive election Sam Hou Fai is elected the new Chief Executive of Macau by the Election Committee, succeeding Ho Iat Seng. (Reuters) Science and technology SpaceX's Starship flight test 5 launched, with the Super Heavy booster successfully being caught by "chopsticks" on the launch tower and the ship making a "soft-landing" in the Indian Ocean. (Space.com)

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Starship Flight 5

Article: Starship flight test 5 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ SpaceX successfully catches the Super Heavy booster on the launchpad during Starship flight 5 (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by PrecariousWorlds (talk · give credit)

One of the most tremendous engineering feats in all of history, and one of the most amazing and incredible spaceflights ever. It's hard to understate just how significant this is for the future of space exploration. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:41, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support for inherent significance. This will be in engineering textbooks for decades to come. WhatisMars (talk) 12:48, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support as an incredible engineering feat that is pivotal for human colonization of space. Quite literally no one has returned a booster stage to earth in one piece before today. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:53, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  You might mean two stages :D WhatisMars (talk) 12:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  Let’s go! Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:06, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Comment - Starship has successfully landed off the coast of Australia. This is the first fully successful test flight of Starship PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:39, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Support - Many firsts were achieved with this specific launch and landing/booster catch. Kind of an understatement but this mission was truly historic, and is important to note as groundbreaking while it’s still newsworthy. HamiltonthesixXmusic (talk) 13:55, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Comment Not thrilled with the huge table to outline the detail of the flight. There are a few key events, but we don't need it to that level. --Masem (t) 13:58, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

I agree, I wonder if there is a way to collapse groups of table rows into significant milestone fold outs. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:09, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

This is more a case to just cut it down to a few key points into prose, like the time it launched, the time it was caught, etc, those noted by independent sources. — Masem (t) 16:22, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment The enthusiasm of the nominator got me curious, but as someone who hasn't been following SpaceX, this article is difficult to understand. It doesn't clearly explain what the "catch" actually was and how it worked. The Orbital Launch Mount Tower A seems important, but that link in the lead takes me to an article about the whole starbase, which doesn't help much. Zagalejo (talk) 14:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  Yeah I think the article needs a section on the actual objectives of catching the booster and its significance for the future PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:50, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Support Caught the booster at the pad. Scuba 14:40, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - Another spaceflight, another ITN nomination. Clearly a great engineering feat but personally I don't see these unmanned space flight achievements as being up to the required level for ITN. Nigej (talk) 16:04, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

There should be a separation between Elon Musk's statement and SpaceX's actions. In this case, this is objectively a new milestone in spaceflight because this demostrated that both of the rocket's stages can be reused, making the entirety of the rocket reusable, and is a prime goal of the Starship development program. WhatisMars (talk) 16:10, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose It's proof of concept for a more efficient space program. So what? It's no more ITN worthy than every last incremental press-release-worthy improvement out there, whether in controlled fusion, desert reclamation, particle colliders, quantum computing, skyscraper building, telescope power, dark matter detection, and so on and so on. The same level of technological breakthrough would have justified at least two dozen James Webb Space Telescope ITN postings and at least one or two a year ongoing improvements to the various gravitational wave telescopes out there. 128.91.40.237 (talk) 16:41, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Conspiracy theories about the 2024 Atlantic hurricane season

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Conspiracy theories about the 2024 Atlantic hurricane season (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Conspiracy theories spread in the aftermath of Hurricanes Helene and Milton. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Hurricane Milton makes landfall in the U.S. state of Florida, followed by conspiracy theories and misinformation.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Violence against recovery workers spreads after Hurricane Milton makes landfall in the U.S. state of Florida.
News source(s): Washington Post, New York Times, Associated Press
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Dan Leonard (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Belbury (talk · give credit), Cowlan (talk · give credit) and BootsED (talk · give credit)

Now that the storms have subsided, a major topic of national news is the misinformation and conspiracy theories spreading about the hurricanes and the disaster relief. — Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 06:01, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose local american news Kasperquickly (talk) 06:05, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. People make statements news at 11. DarkSide830 (talk) 06:16, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. WP:SNOW Kevinishere15 (talk) 06:20, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  Please don't invoke WP:SNOW after only 3 votes and 19 minutes since nomination. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:00, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Tsk tsk... trying to influence the weather by organizing a conspiratorial flashmob snowdance... :) -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 07:24, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose local news and we don't post conspiracy theories. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 06:56, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Suport altblurb2 The article is very comprehensive and well cited, and this is a major news story around the globe. Many nominations are rejected because they do not have an aftermath section or the impact after the event is disputed; here we a clear case of side effects of the hurricane which has spawned into a story of its own. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:21, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose US local news and there is already a Milton story on the main page now. I have not seen this making headlines around the world which an another user is claiming. LiamKorda 07:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose and snow close this is going nowhere. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:00, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose I don't think we need to amplify the blathering of idiots. Black Kite (talk) 09:24, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

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October 12

Portal:Current events/2024 October 12

October 12, 2024 (2024-10-12) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon Israel's military orders the residents of 23 villages in southern Lebanon to evacuate to areas north of the Awali River. (Reuters) The UNIFIL headquarters in Naqoura, Lebanon, is hit by another Israeli airstrike. (CTV News) (BBC News) Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip Israel heavily bombards northern Gaza, following yesterday's airstrikes in Jabalia that killed at least 22 people. (Los Angeles Times) Russo-Ukrainian war Ukrainian conscription crisis Local media outlets report that Ukrainian military recruitment officers raided shopping centers, bars, restaurants, and a large concert venue across several Ukrainian cities including Kyiv, Dnipro, and Kharkiv to detain men not in compliance with conscription orders. (AP) Colombian conflict The National Army of Colombia re-enters the corregimiento of El Plateado in Argelia, Cauca Department, Colombia, in an attempt to clear the corregimiento of FARC dissidents. (El Tiempo) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa At least eleven people are killed and eight others are injured in tribal clashes in Kurram District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. (AP) Disasters and accidents A speedboat explodes at a port in Taliabu Island Regency, North Maluku, Indonesia, killing six people, including Benny Laos, a candidate for Governor of North Maluku in the upcoming election, and Regional House of Representatives member Ester Tantri. (CNN Indonesia) (CNBC Indonesia) Four people are killed and five others are injured in a gas tank explosion and fire at a gas station in Grozny, Russia. (Reuters) Law and crime 2024 United States presidential election, Voter registration in the United States The United States Justice Department sues the state of Virginia for removing voters from voter registration less than 90 days before Election Day on November 5. (Al Jazeera) Belarus–European Union border crisis, Human rights in Poland As a response to Germany tightening border controls and following a call for EU-wide solutions by its Interior Minister Nancy Faeser, Prime Minister of Poland Donald Tusk issues a request to the European Union to accept a provisional suspension of migrants' right to asylum in order to control irregular immigration from Belarus, which human rights activists condemn as unconstitutional. (Reuters) (Euronews)

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RD: Tito Mboweni

Article: Tito Mboweni (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SABC News
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:550C:B8BE:A7FB:50AC (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Gevaarlik (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former financial minister of South Africa. 240F:7A:6253:1:550C:B8BE:A7FB:50AC (talk) 03:16, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose multiple paragraphs without any source. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 06:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose chunks of article aren't sourced. Scuba 14:50, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Jackmaster

Article: Jackmaster (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Real name Jack Revill, Scottish DJ who tragically passed away after complications following a head injury. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:29, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

• Wait unsourced DOB, otherwise looks fine. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 06:58, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• There's a source for it here although the NYPost is marked yellow on WP:RSP. Black Kite (talk) 14:04, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  Each instance of citing the NYP has to be reviewed to make sure they aren't just making something up. In this case the article in question looks fine so it should probably be cited. Scuba 15:08, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Baba Siddique

Article: Baba Siddique (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Economic Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indian politician.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:50, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Positions held and Personal life sections are completely unsourced, Political career section needs more inline citation. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:00, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: G. N. Saibaba

Article: G. N. Saibaba (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Professor and human rights activist.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:41, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support article appears alright to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:00, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

RD/Blurb: Alex Salmond

Article: Alex Salmond (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Former first minister of Scotland Alex Salmond (pictured), a prominent figure in the Scottish independence movement, dies at age 69. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Former first minister of Scotland Alex Salmond (pictured) dies at the age of 69.
News source(s): The Times, Sky News
Credits:

• Nominated by Vacant0 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

• Support Woah, this is how I find out? At first glance article seems good to go, I might even suggest to consider a blurb here given his importance in the Scottish independence referendum/movement. The Kip ^(contribs) 16:51, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

• Now that it's being discussed, support blurb - the Scottish independence referendum was one of Europe's most notable political events in recent memory, and the impact of the movement Salmond sat at the top of was significant across the continent. Easily a transformative figure in British and European politics. The Kip ^(contribs) 21:42, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support, needs blurb - Notable politician and minister of Scotland. Difficultly north (talk) Time, department skies 16:55, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support either blurb or RD. The article is in good shape so this can go up quickly. Thryduulf (talk) 16:55, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support, easily. I'd suggest a blurb too, as he was incredibly important in the Scottish and British political landscape. CoconutOctopus talk 16:58, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb per above. Transformative figure in the history of Scotland. Davey2116 (talk) 17:00, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support a blurb - responsible for a political realignment in not just Scotland, but the rest of the UK too. Definitely one of the most important characters in 21st-century British history. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 17:14, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality there's many unsourced paras and lines. Oppose blurb on notability he was a subnational politician. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:18, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
• Not Ready for RD for the usual reason. Oppose blurb We almost never blurb subnational politicians and Scotland rejected his calls for secession. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:54, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

  Scotland is not subnational. RachelTensions (talk) 04:20, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

What criteria of statehood does it meet? Is it legislatively independent? Does it control territory? Is it a member of international organisations like the European Union or the United Nations? Yes, Scotland is a country. But it is a subnational country. AusLondonder (talk) 06:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose RD until the article is referenced sufficiently and oppose blurb, he wasn't known internationally well enough to warrant it. Suonii180 (talk) 17:57, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
• I'll just note that, of course, Salmond did sit in the Scottish Parliament, but he was also the leader of the SNP twice, the leader of the Alba Party and an MP for two constituencies: all political positions in the wider UK. He was not "just" a subnational politician: he was a large figure in British politics before and after his stint in the devolved assembly. See: the Conservative 2015 general election billboards where Salmond was used to sway voters away from Labour in case of a Lab-SNP coalition. That election saw the SNP win all but 3 House of Commons seats in Scotland, by the way. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 18:07, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD once all referencing issues are addressed. Oppose blurb. Mjroots (talk) 18:27, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD, Oppose blurb Well referenced however, not transformative in his field since he lost the referendum and aside of that,t a regional politician in comparison as Scotland is a small part of the UK. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 20:10, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
  • @The C of E: he was clearly transformative for both the Scottish National Party and Scotland. In 1992, the SNP only had 3 seats but under his leadership they became the largest party in Scotland in 2007. It does not matter that the 2014 independence election failed (with 44% voting yes) as since then Scottish politics has been dominated by calls for a second Scottish independence referendum. Sahaib (talk) 20:25, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
    • @Sahaib: A second referendum that has no endorsement beyond a shrinking independence movement, especially when the 2014 referendum was "once in a lifetime". He lost the big vote, therefore not transformative in his field. He is simply just a regional politician who had a little success nationally but did not cause any lasting significant change within the UK. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 20:29, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
      • @The C of E: whilst support for the SNP may be in decline (they still got 30% of the vote in the 2024 United Kingdom general election in Scotland compared to Labour's 35%), support for independence has remained quite stagnant since 2014 per opinion polling on Scottish independence. The lasting impact as mentioned is transforming the SNP from a fringe party to a major party and putting Scottish independence on the political agenda where it remains to this day. Sahaib (talk) 20:46, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
        • It's not on the agenda given the previous crawl-backs from Sturgeon and Salmond's Alba party aren't making that much in terms of waves. No denying, he is a notable regional politician and justifiably should get an RD on the quality of the article but he did not have any lasting national impact (ie. lost the referendum and not had much further national impact since) so therefore a blurb would not be suitable in my opinion. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 21:19, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb, changed both Scottish and British politics significantly. Sahaib (talk) 20:13, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Support blurb dare I say he was the most important person in Scottish politics for a while. Scuba 21:27, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb subnational leaders are almost never blurbed. Not serving at time of death. Good argument for OLDMANDIES This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 23:12, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

  I like how I had an edit conflict with you and it turns out I basically said the exact opposite of what you said haha.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 23:15, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

  He was not a subnational leader; Scotland is widely accepted to be a country & nation within a wider multinational state. RachelTensions (talk) 04:24, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  It's subnational in that is is not a sovereign state. It is like Greenland within the Kingdom of Denmark. AusLondonder (talk) 06:52, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb: Despite his highest office being that of subnational leader, he was clearly an important figure in UK and even European politics. And he was still active in Scotland politics up to his death so this isn't just a case of "old man dies".  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 23:14, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment. I hope I do not come across as boorish in this comment. If this nomination was from anywhere other than the Anglosphere, the nomination would have been met with a barrage of "not transformative", "have hardly heard his name", "no major world impact" comments. And, then after languishing for some time it would be tagged with Admin attention / evaluation required and that would be that. I sincerely wish these discussions would be different. See our discussion on M. S. Swaminathan if you'd so wish to. Do not reply to this comment showing me an existent but not followed segment of WP:ITNRDBLURB, I am just showing a mirror to this group. I truly believe we will be better off posting more often to the homepage. Sincere condolences to the departed. Ktin (talk) 23:33, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

  Personally, if the New Caledonian independence movement has a figure of equal stature I’d consider blurbing them as well. The Kip ^(contribs) 23:39, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

  For me the criteria for RDB is only if the death per se is notable (i.e. death of a serving head of government causing a political change, or an assassination, etc). Though personally I'd be okay with doing away with RDB entirely except for serving heads of state/government. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:48, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  How do you measure "stature" of pro-independence leaders? Isn't it simply that you know more about Salmond because you're English-speaking and don't know New Caledonian leaders because you're not French-speaking? AusLondonder (talk) 07:01, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  Sitaram Yechury seems a better Indian equivalent as a major national politician. It's easy to compare the standing of such figures with our readership -- just look at the all time views for their articles. They have each had about two million readers over the last 10 years. Salmond's spike is the largest. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:10, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  By that logic, we should be blurbing Ratan Tata views here (while I understand the politician vs business leader distinction). Will remind this group that we did not. Ktin (talk) 14:59, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Blurb, unknown outside of the UK. Abductive (reasoning) 05:05, 13 Octo[[Death of Benito Mussoliniber 2024 (UTC)

  Hardly, given the impact of the Scottish independance movement on other similar movements across Europe. He literally died after giving a speech in North Macedonia, and had a show on Russia Today; neither of which are the UK. CoconutOctopus talk 06:49, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  Hardly known. Blurbs should be reserved for people whose death alone could support a Wikipedia article, such as Killing of Osama bin Laden, Death of Diana, Princess of Wales, Death of Benito Mussolini, you know, deaths that might be interesting to readers. Abductive (reasoning) 09:28, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  Whilst I'm not claiming that Salmond should have a blurb, I'm pretty sure the story is "interesting" for those in Scotland (and Scots elsewhere). Black Kite (talk) 14:06, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb Recent deaths is sufficient as a former leader of a non-sovereign state. While undoubtedly significant in Scotland and the UK, he had very little international significance. I'm not seeing widespread, substantial coverage outside of the UK. AusLondonder (talk) 06:55, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability He is clearly a highly influential person due to this close association with the Scottish independence movement. "Unknown outside UK" arguments should be disregarded because an item cannot be opposed just because the event is only relating to a single country. But, article have many cn tags that needs to be resolved before it is ready to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:04, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Picture We don't really need a prose blurb as the details of the death aren't remarkable and the subject's name is distinctive. But we have a good picture of his fairly famous face and so should use it. The current picture of Han Kang has been up for 24 hours and so it's time for a change and the viewing figures indicate that the stories are of similar significance to our readership. And we should get on with it rather than dithering because the "comet of the century" is coming. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:53, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment For those that claim he was important, there is no standalone section in the article that gives any impression of what his legacy or impact was on Scotland, so trying to wade through the text there to make that determination is impossible. You cannot just hand-wave the claim of importance and not have it clear as day on the article that that is justified. There are a few statements in the death section that lean in the right direction, but that alone doesn't give enough of a summary with actual impact to justify a blurb. --Masem (t) 12:52, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Also as a comment, there are far too many non-support !votes talking about lack of knowing who he was or that Scotland's too small to consider for a blurb. That is absolutely not how we judge the posting of any blurb (RD or not) on ITN. --Masem (t) 12:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I was shocked by the news and thought this should be a blurb, because he was a highly visible sub-national leader due to the referendum - just like Carles Puigdemont is not just any other Catalan leader and Nigel Farage is not just any other Eurosceptic. But I can't see another situation where an independence leader who lost a referendum would be posted. Was there any suggestion that Jacques Parizeau, whose referendum would have changed the face of North America, should have been posted in 2015? Unknown Temptation (talk) 12:58, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb I think a lot of people here are severely under-estimating he importance of the First Minister. It's of more power and prestige than American governors and doesn't really have much of an equivalence except that they wield influence similar to that of sovereign countries of similar size to Scotland, even if Scotland is not independent in itself. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 15:42, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  We do not post RD blurbs just because of the government position a person did, but what accomplishes they did while in that position. Not saying this doesn't exist for Salmond, but it needs to be far better explained in the article with sourcing. Masem (t) 15:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

October 11

Portal:Current events/2024 October 11

October 11, 2024 (2024-10-11) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern Ukraine campaign Battle of Toretsk The military administrator of the city of Toretsk in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine, reports that more than half of the city has been taken by Russian Armed Forces, with the Armed Forces of Ukraine fighting back at eight different locations. (Reuters) Israel–Hezbollah conflict Two United Nations peacekeepers are injured when Israeli forces fire at a watchtower at their headquarters in southern Lebanon. (Euronews) The Lebanese Armed Forces reports that two of its soldiers were killed in an Israeli strike on one of its positions in southern Lebanon. (Al Arabiya) A drone launched from Lebanon damages a building and causes a power outage in Herzliya, Israel. (Crisis 24) (MTV Lebanon) Israel destroys an Iranian Red Crescent Society field hospital on the Lebanon–Syria border. (Xinhua) Israel–Hamas war At least 20 Palestinians are killed and dozens of others are injured by Israeli airstrikes on the Jabalia refugee camp in Gaza. (Reuters) Arts and culture 2024 Nobel Peace Prize This year's Nobel Peace Prize is awarded to Japanese atomic bomb survivors group Nihon Hidankyo for "its efforts to achieve a world free of nuclear weapons and for demonstrating through witness testimony that nuclear weapons must never be used again". (The Washington Post) (Nobel Prize) Business and economy 2024 Boeing machinists strike Aerospace company Boeing announces it will cut 17,000 jobs, 10% of its global workforce, and delay the deliveries of its Boeing 777X planes due to effects of the ongoing machinists strike. (Reuters) King of Belgium Philippe and King of the Netherlands Willem-Alexander jointly open the Nieuwe Sluis canal lock in Terneuzen, Netherlands, which is part of a series of locks connecting the Western Scheldt to the Port of Ghent. (NOS) Disasters and accidents 2024 South American wildfires 2024 Peru wildfires The Global Wildfire Information System states that 10,400 wildfires have been reported in Peru so far this year, more than twice as many as were reported in 2020, and that the wildfires burned an area nearly 2.5 times larger than those in 2020. (Reuters) International relations Foreign relations of Nicaragua, Foreign relations of Israel Nicaragua formally breaks off diplomatic relations with Israel, calling the Israeli government "fascist" and "genocidal". (Reuters) France–Israel relations, Israel–Hezbollah conflict France summons the Israeli ambassador to France over recent attacks against United Nations peacekeepers in Lebanon, calling the attacks a violation of international law and asking Israel to explain itself. (Le Monde)

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RD: Kiril Marichkov

Article: Kiril Marichkov (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bulgarian News Agency: Bulgarian Rock Legend Kiril Marichkov Dies at 79
Credits:

• Updated by Jaguarnik (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Bulgarian rock musician. Jaguarnik (talk) 19:49, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support I don't see any problems. Scuba 01:58, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article is of sufficient quality for RD. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 07:22, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support article looks fine to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:05, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• The second box in the Discography section is unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 15:13, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  A paragraph in the "life and career" section covers that information, and I feel it's unnecessary to repeat references for something that has already been covered in the article. Jaguarnik (talk) 15:19, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

2024 Nobel Peace Prize

Article: Nihon Hidankyo (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Nobel Peace Prize is awarded to the Japanese atomic bomb survivors group, Nihon Hidankyo. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Nobel Peace Prize is awarded to Nihon Hidankyo "for its efforts to achieve a world free of nuclear weapons and for demonstrating, through witness testimony, that nuclear weapons must never be used again".
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Nobel Peace Prize is awarded to the Japanese atomic bomb survivors group Nihon Hidankyo "for its efforts to achieve a world free of nuclear weapons".
News source(s): The Washington Post, The Guardian, Noble Peace Prize press release
Credits:

• Nominated by PrinceofPunjab (talk · give credit)
• Updated by ReyHahn (talk · give credit) and VersedVoyager67 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

The winner's article needs expansion as it is currently barely more than a stub. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:29, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

• It went from a stub to be full of sources in Japanese which makes it hard to assert their validity.--ReyHahn (talk) 10:09, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Not ready. The article currently has only one paragraph of prose content, with the rest being bullet points and the lead. It needs some substantial expansion. Hopefully the Nobel win has generated some English-language sources, which can be used to do so. Modest Genius ^talk 11:16, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• I've added altblurb2, as the amount of the Nobel committee quote in the altblurb was far too long, and this new one cuts to the chase while also briefly summarizing the group. --Masem (t) 12:19, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Interesting, why does literature not have the reason?Sportsnut24 (talk) 01:28, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Question 3 out of the 4 current "In The News" blurbs are Nobel Prizes right now... can/should they be condensed into one, or should we delay adding more until we have a better variety of "news"? Right now the "In The News" box just looks like a Nobel Prize news feed RachelTensions (talk) 12:11, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

WP:NOTFORUM

The Prize and the Price I didn't see the peace prize covered yet. The story I noticed in the NYT today when browsing was The Price . This gives the latest spend on nuclear weapons by the USA. Perhaps they posted it because of the peace prize or perhaps it's just coincidence. Anyway, it caught my attention because I wrote about this as Renovation of the nuclear weapon arsenal of the United States back in 2015 when the price tag was about a trillion US$. The figure is now $1.7 trillion and counting. That's partly inflation and partly goofs like a roof at Y-12 being 13 feet out, which cost a mere $540 million. Now the peace prize is about $1 million so let's compare those numbers to put things in proportion: Nobel peace prize = $1,035,000 US planned spend on new nukes = $1,700,000,000,000 The ratio between the prize and that planned spend is over a million. That's your tax dollars at work and so it goes. But tell me, which of these stories is more significant...? Andrew🐉(talk) 12:27, 11 October 2024 (UTC) (edit conflict) This isn't about the US doing routine maintenance of it's nuclear arsenal, it's about the Nobel peace prize Scuba 12:46, 11 October 2024 (UTC) The prize was awarded to the group "for its efforts to achieve a world free of nuclear weapons..." The article doesn't explain that these efforts seem to have been fruitless. The other prize winners seem to have concrete achievements so the comparative failure seems to need explanation. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:09, 11 October 2024 (UTC) (The Peace Prize has looooong been a "messaging" thing before all else, given to stuff those who decide who they give the award to, want to hit the +1 like button for. Look up who got the 1973 prize—take an indigestion pill first. Double-bonus: look at which of them gleefully took it, and which one refused it! --Slowking Man (talk) 17:18, 11 October 2024 (UTC)) Also they gave one to Arafat. 166.198.25.23 (talk) 22:27, 11 October 2024 (UTC) Also begin and peres Go figure. that's not relevant.Sportsnut24 (talk) 01:31, 12 October 2024 (UTC) They also gave one to Obama. Scuba 02:01, 12 October 2024 (UTC) Dude it's a nobel peace price, awarded to elderly hiroshima survivors, to say that "nukes are bad". I don't think anyone at the Nobel foundation genuinely thinks it'll abolish the world's nuclear weapons, it's just messaging. Scuba 02:00, 12 October 2024 (UTC) "But tell me, which of these stories is more significant" So the order is Nobel Peace Prize < Nuclear spending of the US < Some random comet will be visible. Got it. 51.154.145.205 (talk) 17:38, 11 October 2024 (UTC) None of this should matter. The Nobel Peace Prize is ITN/R, so it is presumed notable, and we are looking at article quality to determine whether or not to post. Natg 19 (talk) 18:21, 11 October 2024 (UTC) WP:NOTAFORUM. Ergo this should be closed or removed.Sportsnut24 (talk) 01:27, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

• Mild support in the light that the current problems with the references are minor and not subjected to WP:BLP.--ReyHahn (talk) 15:43, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Support the article looks good. Scuba 02:01, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

• Not ready yet. History section only covered activities up to 1965, then barely anything since then. Looking at the ja.wp article, there are more contents that should be covered before it's ready for main page. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 03:26, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

  The problem is that any history about the organization is only found in Japanese sources, including what is already in the article.--ReyHahn (talk) 06:44, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

  Can't we just cannibalize the Japanese wiki's article? Scuba 15:04, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

  For users like me that have no idea on how to read Japanese or what Japanese sources are reliable, it is very difficult to asssess the notability of the content.WP:NOENG says that we should ask for translations when there is some apprehension about its content, which is very cumbersome when there are so many non-English sources. To be clear: it is an issue but the current article is (at least to me) fine enough for a blurb.--ReyHahn (talk) 20:25, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

  WP:NOENG just says that English language sources are preferred. In most cases a machine translation is fine unless it's a contentious subject, BLP, or whatever claim you're citing seems too left-field to be accurate. RachelTensions (talk) 04:30, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  Is this reply directed to me or another user? I support the blurb as I said this is not subjected to WP:BLP.--ReyHahn (talk) 08:15, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  I'm just clarifying your statement that "WP:NOENG says that we should ask for translations which is very cumbersome when there are so many non-English sources" because it seemed like you interpreted WP:NOENG to mean that we need to ask for a human translation of any source we wish to cite in an article. RachelTensions (talk) 08:20, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks, fixed wording.--ReyHahn (talk) 08:28, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Nobuyo Ōyama

Article: Nobuyo Ōyama (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Japan Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Tofusaurus (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Japanese voice actress known for being the voice of Doraemon and Monokuma. Death occurred on 29 September but news was only released today. Tofusaurus (talk) 05:59, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

• Article looks fine to me for RD. For the unaware Doraemon is a natl institution in Japan, which is why *glances* she has obit on en-lang CNN. Haven't looked but I would not be surprised if ja:Main Page has an "ITN blurb" equivalent for her, unless they have a project rule against stuff like that. Equivalent for native en speakers would be something like Mel Blanc if he had died in the Internet era. (If the name doesn't stick out for you I would bet my life you know (at least some of) his voice(s). BTW look at his grave if you haven't: oh yeah he had the sense of humor you likely expected.) --Slowking Man (talk) 18:17, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Wait There is no prose about her life before 2015 and her career. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:07, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

October 10

Portal:Current events/2024 October 10

October 10, 2024 (2024-10-10) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip Attacks on schools during the Israeli invasion of Gaza An Israeli strike on a school sheltering displaced people in Gaza kills 28 people and injures 54 others. (AP) Military aid to Israel during the Israel–Hamas war Chancellor of Germany Olaf Scholz announces plans for Germany to supply Israel with a new shipment of weapons, and that the German government has agreed to continue shipments for at least the near future. (Euronews) Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon An Israeli Merkava tank opens fire on a UNIFIL checkpoint in southern Lebanon, injuring two peacekeepers. Israeli troops also open fire on two other UN positions near the Blue Line, although no casualties are reported. (BBC News) At least 22 people are killed in Israeli airstrikes on two different areas in central Beirut, Lebanon. (AP) Sudanese civil war October 2024 Sudan airstrikes Sudanese human rights group Emergency Lawyers reports that over 500 Sudanese civilians have been killed in airstrikes conducted by the Sudanese Armed Forces on multiple civilian areas held by the Rapid Support Forces. (Reuters) (Dabanga Sudan) Russian invasion of Ukraine The World Bank approves a new financial intermediary fund consisting of grants from the United States, Japan, Canada, and other countries coupled with interest from frozen Russian assets to give to Ukraine as part of a $50 billion loan. (Reuters) Ukraine's Coordination Headquarters for the Treatment of Prisoners of War confirms the death of journalist Victoria Roshchyna, who had been held prisoner by Russia since August 2023. (The Kyiv Independent) Insurgency in Balochistan At least twenty-one miners are killed and six others are injured in an attack by unknown armed militants on a private coal mine in Duki District, Balochistan, Pakistan. (Reuters) Arts and culture 2024 Nobel Prize in Literature This year's Nobel Prize in Literature is awarded to South Korean writer Han Kang "for her intense poetic prose that confronts historical traumas and exposes the fragility of human life". (Nobel Prize) Disasters and accidents One person is killed and twelve others are trapped when an elevator fails at the Mollie Kathleen Gold Mine in Cripple Creek, Colorado, United States. (Sky News) Health and environment 2024 Atlantic hurricane season At least ten people are killed in damages by tornadoes caused by Hurricane Milton in Florida, United States. (Reuters) In its annual Living Planet report, the World Wildlife Fund estimates that wild populations of animal species have decreased over 70% since 1970, with some high-biodiversity areas seeing up to 95% declines. (DW) International relations Israel–Italy relations, Israel–Hezbollah conflict Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni summons the Israeli ambassador to Italy after Israeli forces target bases manned by Italian peacekeepers in southern Lebanon. (CNN) Law and crime Capital punishment in Malaysia, Murder of Shaariibuugiin Altantuyaa The Federal Court of Malaysia commutes the death sentence of Azilah Hadri, one of Altantuyaa's murderers, to 40 years imprisonment. (CNA) Multiple Palestinian, Dutch, and Jewish human rights organizations sue the Dutch government for exporting weapons and military goods to Israel, thereby allegedly failing to prevent violations of the Genocide Convention and other war crimes in the Gaza Strip. (Reuters) Politics and elections War crimes in the Israel–Hamas war United Nations human rights investigators accuse Israel of crimes against humanity and the crime of extermination by deliberately targeting health facilities and medical personnel in Gaza. (Al Jazeera) Science and technology Tomb of Christopher Columbus Researchers from the University of Granada confirm that bones lying in the Seville Cathedral in Seville, Andalusia, Spain, belonged to Christopher Columbus. (ABC Spain) The Internet Archive and the Wayback Machine are taken offline following a denial-of-service attack, with the hackers also stealing 31 million password hashes in a data breach. (Forbes) Sports Erling Haaland becomes the all-time top goalscorer of the Norway national football team with 34 goals in the last 36 matches, beating Jørgen Juve's 1934 record of 33 goals. (ESPN)

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RD: Fleur Adcock

Article: Fleur Adcock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Telegraph
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:550C:B8BE:A7FB:50AC (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Chocmilk03 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Noted New Zealand poet. 240F:7A:6253:1:550C:B8BE:A7FB:50AC (talk) 03:16, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support I think article is ready to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:09, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Peter Cormack

Article: Peter Cormack (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:189C:4A1A:9ED4:16C1 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Fats40boy11 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Former Hibernian, Liverpool and Scotland midfielder. 240F:7A:6253:1:189C:4A1A:9ED4:16C1 (talk) 14:05, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose there are multiple cn tags and some paragraphs are without a footnote, plus, the quote on the style of play subsection needs to be edited and shortened. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:11, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Internet Archive Breach

Article: Internet Archive (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Internet Archive is DDoSed and hacked, resulting in 31 million accounts compromised. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ After a series of DDoS attacks and security breaches, 31 million accounts on the Internet Archive are compromised.
Alternative blurb II: ​ 31 million accounts are compromised on the Internet Archive, after a sequence of attacks and data breaches.
Alternative blurb III: ​ 31 million accounts are compromised on the Internet Archive, after a sequence of attacks and data breaches made by a Palestinian hacker organization.
News source(s): Bleeping Computer Forbes Newsweek Wired
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by NikolaiVektovich (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Kasperquickly (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Very prominent archive known for its archive of webpages and various different digital-based data is attacked and suffers a security breach. NikolaiVektovich (talk) 22:20, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose Interesting, horrible, and kind of significant, but it has no real world impact and there's no in-depth coverage of this Personisinsterest (talk) 23:31, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support 31 million accounts being breached isn't anything to scoff at. Scuba 23:42, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality Several cn tags and an update orange tag under Operations section. I also feel that the section talking about the breach could be expanded to reflect more on the significance of this event and maybe have more reactions about it if possible? Agreeing w/ Scuba, 31 million accounts being breached is significant. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:04, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability, oppose on quality 31 million accounts is a significant breach, but the article needs improvement before it can be posted to ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 00:06, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose If it isn't notable enough for its own article, it isn't notable enough for ITN. –DMartin 01:11, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Sounds like you're in support of a Wikipedia that's more of a popularity contest than "the sum total of human knowledge". RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 01:17, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm not saying it isn't worthy of its own article. But until it has one it shouldn't be featured in itn. –DMartin 06:38, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment After reading the first article to appear in my news feed, any concern for user privacy appears to be a red herring. That sort of talk mainly appeals to hackrboiz and their ilk. I was left with lots of questions about the status of the site's data and whether compromised data can be restored from backups. That has far greater impact. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 01:17, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support big breach of one of the world’s biggest websites. 31 million is not a small number either Ion.want.uu (talk) 02:43, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Statement: IA estimated traffic rank is ~180 (assuming something like that is meant by "world's biggest websites"), which isn't nothing, but is a ways below such sites as Douyin, ok.ru, VK.com, Cricbuzz, Detik.com, and Figma. Asking for curiosity any of those have any past security issues that got ITN blurbed? Not to mention Tsyndicate which...uh apparently per a brief search is controlled by cybercrime/malicious actors and used for malware! And is blocked by things like Google Safe Browsing for that reason! Yet still in top 50 sites globally by traffic! Important WP article missing here for people looking for something to do! (IOW basically what GeorgeMemulous wrote below) --Slowking Man (talk) 17:59, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose In the grand scheme of data breaches, 31 million accounts is not a surprisingly large number and while it may SEEM bad, it's really just hashed passwords which means all that was leaked was usernames and emails. I'll be seeing more spam in my inbox in due time. Also, where's the main article for this? Kline • talk • contribs 02:56, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose And it is not 31 million accounts, but 31 million records, which could be 31 million users but also could consider multiple records per person. Significant difference. Also, 31 million is tiny compared to past breaches which have easily exceeded 100 million. --Masem (t) 03:17, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Interesting. Unusual (why the internet archive), and ofcourse the archive is one of the best websites on the internet ever. Also i dont wanna get accused of trolling or wahtever but this page is such a slog these days, I can bet you 99% of the news here - about elections in Micronesia and the winners of a tourney of horse football - most people not just not care about those, but actively roll their eyes whenever these get posted. This piece of news however is actually fresh and interesting. Kasperquickly (talk) 03:59, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose — 31 million accounts is not significant. ITN is not for interesting facts but significant news. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 05:27, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support on significance This is a pretty substantial take down of such a large website. However, I have to oppose on quality as the article on the IA is full of CN tags and has an orange-tagged section as needing an update. I would also oppose ALT3 as it is just factually untrue; the group claiming to have carried out the attack is based in Russia and has never claimed to be Palestinian. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:16, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on notability and quality. Larger companies have suffered more severe data breaches and many of those are forgotten today. Hey, do you recall when every American's social security number was leaked earlier this year? It hasn't crossed my mind in a long time even though a social security number is far more important than an Internet Archive password. MoneyGram which handles over 150 million records suffered a breach containing more sensitive information literally 2 days ago and it hasn't appeared in even the lower ITN, but the Internet Archive is more important to Wikipedia so even when it suffers a "routine" and ultimately less severe and important breach than we've seen many times this year, it gets coverage on Wikipedia. The Internet Archive is more likely to be affected in operation by the intellectual property lawsuits it's fighting. Also there's only one paragraph in the source about the breach. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 13:59, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose does the average person know what the Internet Archive is? I only know of it from trying to archive references for Wikipedia. This breach is barely covered by major news sources, mainly only tech websites. Natg 19 (talk) 18:11, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support as others mentioned, 31 million accounts having their data breached is newsworthy. Not to mention, this disruption affects people who enjoyed archived record significantly. Rager7 (talk) 04:32, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose This is one of the multiple data breaches that major companies and governments face every year. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:12, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Murasoli Selvam

Article: Murasoli Selvam (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Prominent newspaper editor of current Tamil Nadu state party-led government Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam. Abishe (talk) 15:51, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Soft Support article is teetering on a stub, but it is properly cited. Scuba 15:56, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose I think some part of the article needs to be rewritten in more neutral tone and trimmed in some other parts as currently it reads as far too praiseworthy with words such as "illustrious", "passionately", and "pivotal and instrumental" among others. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 07:22, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Ethel Kennedy

Article: Ethel Kennedy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Wife of Robert F. Kennedy and mother of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. dies at age 96. Davey2116 (talk) 15:46, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support article looks fine Scuba 15:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Well sourced, no tags. Jusdafax (talk) 15:58, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Looks ready. Thriley (talk) 16:06, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article looks good. Would support photo RD down the road too. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:09, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support It was only yesterday that I was reading her article and was surprised at the line "She is the oldest living member of the Kennedy family". Alas, that is not true anymore. Her article is ready to be posted and I also support a photo of her being posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 16:26, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Photo RD immediately "down the road". InedibleHulk (talk) 16:46, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support on procedural grounds but strongly oppose a “photo RD” which is not a thing, and she certainly does not qualify for a blurb This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 17:08, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 00:49, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Nobel Prize in Literature

Article: Han Kang (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Nobel Prize in Literature is awarded to Korean writer Han Kang (pictured) for her "intense poetic prose exposing fragility of life". (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Nobel Prize in Literature is awarded to Korean writer Han Kang (pictured) for her "intense poetic prose that confronts historical traumas and exposes the fragility of human life".
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Nobel Prize in Literature is awarded to Korean poet and novelist Han Kang (pictured).
News source(s): The Hindu, The New York Times, Noble Prize press release
Credits:

• Nominated by PrinceofPunjab (talk · give credit)
• Created by Ccmontgom (talk · give credit)

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The winner's article needs some work before it is ready to be posted. Also, I am not sure whether to include her distinction as first Asian female Nobel laureate in Literature in the blurb or not. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 13:38, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• The pulled quote from the Nobel committee for the reason in the current blurb looks odd. I know we need this but the way the statement reads in full by the committee is a bit too long for us to use, so may need some more creative selection of parts. Masem (t) 13:42, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

  For the nature of her work it might be ok, as it is hard to describe. I am more worried about lack of references or citations to blogs.--ReyHahn (talk) 13:54, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

  Here is how some major news organizations are reporting her win:

  ...for her ‘intense poetic prose’ exposing fragility of life (The Indian Expresss),

  ... for her intense poetic prose (Wall Street Journal),

  ...was honored for her “intense” prose and historical focus (The Washington Post),

  ...for ‘poetic prose on historical trauma’ (Financial Express)

  Which one do you think would be most appropriate for the blurb? ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 14:01, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

  The Nobel Prize in Literature is awarded to Korean author Han Kang for her prose about the fragility of life. I think that's fine... VSankeerthSai1609 (talk) 16:12, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

  Since the actual words are "for her intense poetic prose that confronts historical traumas and exposes the fragility of human life", either repeat that (even in part) or don't "quote" anything. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:25, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Needs some work, mainly references. Also, I suggest for literature Nobels we go with simple "X is awarded Nobel Prize in literature" because the descriptions are typically something very poetic and not as obvious as in the scientific awards. We can say whether the person is a writer or poet or both, though. --Tone 17:00, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

  A poet is a writer (who writes poetically). I think you mean "novelist", and yeah, I'll add it. I don't think it's worth arguing about whether Nobel Prize citations are ever "very" poetic, because that's subjective. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:20, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality - multiple CN tags. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:05, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment - CN tags now removed; please could someone double-check. As for the blurb, they usually get a bare description like "X wins Nobel", but winners of other prizes get brief descriptions of their work. E.g. the current ones read "The Nobel Prize in Chemistry is awarded jointly to Demis Hassabis (pictured) and John M. Jumper for their work on protein structure prediction and David Baker for his work on computational protein design.", "John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton receive the Nobel Prize in Physics for their research in machine learning with artificial neural networks.", and "Victor Ambros and Gary Ruvkun receive the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for their discovery of microRNA." So the altblurb looks preferable. CohenTheBohemian (talk) 03:55, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support' the page was improved greatly since yesterday. There is still a whole section of her books that is not well referenced but it is not as key as it is just missing primary sources to her Korean books.--ReyHahn (talk) 07:02, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Now it is good to go.--ReyHahn (talk) 08:33, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

• Posting. Great work with finding the references. --Tone 08:41, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• @Tone: maybe it is better to change Hassabis picture for Kang, Hassabis only won 1/4 of the prize.--ReyHahn (talk) 09:27, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

  I think we are cycling of images of the laureates. Other editors have this covered :) Tone 09:32, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

October 9

Portal:Current events/2024 October 9

October 9, 2024 (2024-10-09) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war At least four Palestinians are killed and one other is wounded when Israeli forces open fire on a vehicle in Nablus in the occupied West Bank. Palestinian factions call for a general strike on Thursday in response to the attack. (Al Jazeera) 2024 Hadera stabbing attack Six people are injured, two critically, in a mass stabbing in Hadera, Haifa District, Israel. The attacker is shot dead by police. (Times of Israel) Insurgency in Balochistan One Frontier Corps official and two terrorists are killed and thirteen others are injured by a suicide bombing and gun attack on a Frontier Corps post in Zhob, Balochistan, Pakistan. (Daily Ausaf) Israel–Hezbollah conflict Two people are killed by a Hezbollah rocket fired at Kiryat Shmona, Israel. (BBC News) (MDA Israel) Sudanese civil war The head of the Rapid Support Forces, Hemedti, accuses Egypt of being involved in airstrikes on the group's troops during the ongoing civil war in Sudan. (Reuters) Arts and culture Nansen Refugee Award Scalabrinian nun sister Rosita Milesi is awarded the Nansen Refugee Award by the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees for her work with refugees and internally displaced people in Brazil for over 40 years. (DW) Disasters and accidents 2024 Atlantic hurricane season Hurricane Milton More than 5.5 million people in Florida, United States, are currently under evacuation orders as Hurricane Milton weakens into a category 4 hurricane ahead of its expected landfall in the early hours of Thursday. (The New York Times) (CBS News) Several tornadoes are reported in Florida, including along Interstate 75, ahead of Hurricane Milton's landfall. (BBC News) Milton makes landfall as a category 3 hurricane near Siesta Key on Florida's Western Coast. (CBS News) The Tropicana Field roof in St. Petersburg is damaged by winds caused from Hurricane Milton. (Tampa Bay Times) Five people are killed when a Beechcraft Baron aircraft crashes shortly after takeoff from Catalina Airport in Avalon, California, United States. (CTV News) International relations Ecuador–United States relations The U.S. State Department bans former Ecuadorian president Rafael Correa and former vice president Jorge Glas from entering the United States on accusations of corruption. (Reuters) Law and crime Capital punishment in Japan Japan's former longest-serving death row prisoner, Iwao Hakamada, is confirmed innocent after the prosecution waives their right to appeal the September 26 "not guilty" verdict from his retrial. (NHK) Censorship in Turkey Turkey bans the social media platform Discord after it allegedly refused to give government officials information related to "child sexual abuse and obscenity" and the murder of two women in Istanbul last week. (DW) South Africa's genocide case against Israel Bolivia formally joins South Africa's case in the International Court of Justice regarding Israel's conduct in the Gaza Strip as genocide, stating it "has a responsibility to condemn the crime of genocide". (Al Jazeera) Politics and elections 2024 Mozambican general election Mozambicans vote in the presidential, parliamentary and provincial elections. (Al Jazeera) Science and technology Nobel Prize in Chemistry This year's Nobel Prize in Chemistry is jointly awarded to British computer scientist Demis Hassabis and American chemist John M. Jumper for their work on protein structure prediction, and to American biochemist and computational biologist David Baker for his work on computational protein design. (The New York Times) (Nobel Prize) Sports In tennis, the Wimbledon Championships announces it will replace line judges with an electronic line judge system starting in the 2025 Wimbledon Championships, ending the tradition after 147 years. (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Lily Ebert

Article: Lily Ebert (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

No sourcing issues, long enough. Mooonswimmer 01:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Very notable, and the article looks pretty good. High Admiral JMT (talk) 06:25, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Looks good. I also cropped the subject's image. Cheers. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:37, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support article is in a great shape. It appears ready to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 08:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks good Scuba 15:56, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 05:31, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: George Baldock

Article: George Baldock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SDNA
Credits:

• Nominated by Mwwv (talk · give credit)
• Updated by HomerPap17 (talk · give credit) and Unknown Temptation (talk · give credit)

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Football player. Could use some more work on sources. mwwv ^converse∫_edits 20:44, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment there's much much more about his time at MK Dons than his seven years at Sheffield United, even though half of that SUFC times was his only time in the Premier League. This usually happens when an editor is writing about a player for their favourite club, but then leaves Wikipedia/doesn't care when the player moves club. Probably not a big enough issue to nix posting the page, but it certainly stands out. Unknown Temptation (talk) 21:41, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  Part of the reason may be that he meant a lot to the Dons fans, given he was a local player who came through the academy and was one of the best players. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:00, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support Currently two cn tags. However neither are what I would call particularly controversial claims of fact. I think it's good enough. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:20, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Fixed the cn tags. Article overall looks in good shape sourcing wise. Fats40boy11 (talk) 05:27, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support article is good enough to be posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 08:12, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks fine. Scuba 15:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support - without a doubt, this is ready for RD Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:44, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Unreferenced place and date of birth. Schwede66 09:19, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

In fairness, both were already referenced in the first line of the main prose of the article so I didn't think extra refs in the infobox were required. I've cited it in the infobox now and removed the 'citation needed' tags in any case. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:20, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

I think what Schwede66 meant to write was that the referencing needed fixing there. The two footnotes linked to sources that gave different DoBs. I have taken out "Hugman", which stated "26 January 1993" as the DoB, and replaced with the obituary on The Times, which shows "March 9, 1993", same as the DoB shown in the other existing footnoted sources. --PFHLai (talk) 15:00, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 14:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

C/2023 A3 (Tsuchinshan–ATLAS)

Article: C/2023 A3 (Tsuchinshan–ATLAS) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The bright comet C/2023 A3 (Tsuchinshan–ATLAS) makes its closest approach to Earth on 12 October. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Bright comet C/2023 A3 (Tsuchinshan–ATLAS) is visible to the western sky after sunset on 12 October and onwards.
News source(s): guardianNYTSky & TelescopeBBC
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by C messier (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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The second brightest comet visible from the Earth the last 50 years. It already graced the southern skies the previous weeks, now it makes it closest approach to Earth on 12 October, before emerging in the western sky. --C messier (talk) 19:30, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Wait until October 12. I personally think it can be post-worthy, but we can't make news out of what hasn't occurred yet. — Knightoftheswords 19:35, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

It won't be really be visible October 12. Wait a few days? Nfitz (talk) 20:59, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Wait until October 12, hopefully this doesn't end up like the 2nd moon where the consensus was to post when it actually entered orbit and then everyone just forgot to nominate it again Scuba 22:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

I was just about to nominate 2024 PT5 and forgot lol High Admiral JMT (talk) 23:20, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

I checked the status of 2024 PT5 on that date but there was still no good picture at that time and nothing much more to say. A renomination therefore did not seem sensible. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:05, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Wait as others said, we won't know if the comet would be visible until on that day (October 12th). Rager7 (talk) 00:25, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Comets are unpredictable, but not that unpredictable. It won't vanish in two days and up to now it has been quite predictable. On 12 October it will be quite low in the sky, near Venus, and set early, while the tail curves back to the Sun. After the 14th will be an easy to see object (although the moonlight will interfer). C messier (talk) 04:33, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support Bright comets are ITN/R, the article seems ok and there's a wide choice of pictures. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:16, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Already is gaining much attention. Can be posted. High Admiral JMT (talk) 06:27, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Wait but Support. Another interesting astronomy news. The 2nd moon was totally forgotten about, but let's see if this will make its close approach on that day. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:43, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support article meets the standard and I think this can be posted now. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 08:13, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Wait. No reason not to wait until it is visible. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:26, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted to RD) RD: Ratan Tata

Article: Ratan Tata (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Indian Business magnate (industrialist or tycoon) and philanthropist and former chairman of Tata Group, Ratan Tata dies at the age of 86. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Ratan Tata Highest Indian civilian honours award winner (Padma Bhushan and Padma Vibhushan), and International Honor Awards winner , dies at the age of 86.
News source(s): BBC, Aljazeera, CNN, The New York Times, the GuardianHT
Credits:

• Nominated by The Herald (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Spworld2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Indian industrialist, philanthropist and former chairman of Tata Group. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 18:30, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose RD currently on quality. The Philanthropy section is under sourced and written in a way that edges on POV. In terms of a blurb, there feels like there needs to be more about the legacy or impact he's had (not just having buildings named after him) , while the awards and honors implies that direction, the article needs to be more explicit, otherwise this seems like any typical business leader anywhere in the world. (To contrast, I would think we are comparing to someone like Bill Gates as a major figure in the business and philanthropy fields, and this article doesn't currently give that impression.) Masem (t) 18:40, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Still not ready The Philanthropy section still reads as POV/promotional writing, and relies a bit too much on primary sourcing for these types of claims. --Masem (t) 12:03, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD Article need quality improvement for posting. Pachu Kannan (talk) 19:27, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Blurb OLDMANDIES. Not a serving head of state or government This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:22, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  Ummm, okay? I don't see anyone saying that this was a nomination for a blurb. Tube·of·Light 05:30, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

  It was when it was posted This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD Article looks good enough now. Rynoip (talk) 22:58, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support The article just needs slightly more grammatical revisions before posting. Rager7 (talk) 00:22, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Article looks to meet basic expectations for homepage / RD. Anything else with NPOV or tone should be taken up by orange tags on the article page to get editors attention. For now this is ready. Ktin (talk) 03:35, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Shouldn't there be a blurb here? 2409:40C0:101E:59D2:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 06:33, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready. Several sections still needs to be sourced. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:46, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support article seems fine now. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 08:16, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support It is a major event, and the article seems fine. User:VSankeerthSai1609
• Oppose blurb as he wasn't a world transforming figure.
• Oppose alternative blurb and blurb. He wasn't awarded the highest civilian honor and the phrase in brackets can be removed.User:VSankeerthSai1609

2401:BA80:A30F:5D1C:DCB7:5373:D5BE:66F7 (talk) 16:09, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb but Support RD for the article is clean enough now to post in RD. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 18:00, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb, support RD per above. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD and feel free to continue the blurb discussion. Schwede66 18:01, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb amongst the biggest sirs in Indian business 💪💪💪 Kasperquickly (talk) 08:56, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Iwao Hakamada

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Iwao Hakamada (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The acquittal of Iwao Hakamada, the world's longest serving death row inmate for more than 45 years, is finalized as Japanese prosecutors decide to not appeal against the verdict in the retrial. (Post)
News source(s): The Associated Press, Nippon TV
Credits:

• Nominated by UCinternational (talk · give credit)

Note: we also posted the news about him in March 2014. --UCinternational (talk) 13:35, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Cool trivia but I don't see how this would fit into the narrative of ITN. Perhaps more suitable for DYK? TwistedAxe [contact] 14:42, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose dyk not itn Scuba 14:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Ineligible for DYK. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:59, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose minor status quo update to what we already posted on the acquittal. Similar to why we don't post inauguration of elected leaders when we already posted the results. Masem (t) 15:08, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose since he already got his day on the front page per above This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 15:14, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose - more finalization of a procedure than anything else. I would like to note however a decade later, that in ITN's current environment, his acquittal would likely not even be posted, nor nominated. — Knightoftheswords 19:38, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) Nobel Prize in Chemistry

Articles: Demis Hassabis (talk · history · tag) and John M. Jumper (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Nobel Prize in Chemistry is awarded jointly to Demis Hassabis and John M. Jumper for their work on protein structure prediction and David Baker for his work on computational protein design. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, The New York Times, Nobel Prize press release
Credits:

• Nominated by PrinceofPunjab (talk · give credit)

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

All three winners' articles look good enough even though Jumper's article is bit short and they need to be updated. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 10:19, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Except for a few statements in Baker's personal life, all articles are good to go for quality purposes. --Masem (t) 12:10, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• For Hassabis, date and place of birth are unreferenced. Schwede66 18:44, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
  • fixed. Masem (t) 18:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment The statement in Jumper's aritcle that AlphaFold is the first machine learning algorithm to be able to accurately predict the 3D structure of proteins is unreferenced. --C messier (talk) 19:13, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  This has been fixed. Ktin (talk) 03:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support. The three articles pass basic hygiene checks for homepage. Good to go. Can someone create a composite image on a photo editing software? Ktin (talk) 03:37, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

  Do we need a picture of all three winners or would a picture of both Hassabis and Baker be enough? ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 08:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article about a notable prize is now ready. 64.114 etc 04:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support per Ktin and 64. 2605:8D80:401:9506:71A2:F7E:99F4:3379 (talk) 04:56, 10 October 2024 (UTC) Suspected sock per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/64.114 etc.—Bagumba (talk) 10:16, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support I agree with K. This is a good article. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:28B8:4402:8321:8CA1 (talk) 04:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC) Suspected sock per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/64.114 etc.—Bagumba (talk) 10:16, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Posting. --Tone 12:03, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Lee Wei Ling

Article: Lee Wei Ling (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.channelnewsasia.com/singapore/lee-wei-ling-daughter-lee-kuan-yew-dies-aged-69-4667096
Credits:

• Nominated by Robertsky (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

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Daughter of Lee Kuan Yew, sister of Lee Hsien Loong (both Prime Ministers of Singapore). There are portions that may still require citations. – robertsky (talk) 00:55, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support but not ready: Some sections have missing citations and the article in general needs to be expanded or reworked. Will support RD in principle. Tofusaurus (talk) 06:35, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support as of now article looks in decent enough shape. Scuba 14:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support article is good enough now. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 08:18, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Looking for a footnote(s) in the main prose to support the date and place of birth as mentioned in the infobox and intro. Help anyone, please? --PFHLai (talk) 14:18, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I'm not massively happy about that "Administrator of Lee Kuan Yew's will" paragraph either. BDP applies, and I'm unsure that it's even sourced properly. Black Kite (talk) 14:38, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

October 8

Portal:Current events/2024 October 8

October 8, 2024 (2024-10-08) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon The 146th Division of the Israel Defense Forces advances into southwestern Lebanon, opening up another front against Hezbollah. The Israeli Navy also announces a naval blockade extending for 60 kilometres (37 mi) along the Lebanese coast. (DW) Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu calls on the Lebanese people to "rise up" against Hezbollah and to "take back" their country with the help of Israeli forces, warning that failing to do so could turn Lebanon into another Gaza. (The Telegraph) The village of Yaroun in Nabatieh Governorate, Lebanon, is reported to be mostly destroyed following days of heavy fighting between Hezbollah and Israeli forces. (CNN) Around 105 Hezbollah rockets hit the northern Israeli city of Haifa in the heaviest barrage fired at the city since the start of the war. (The Telegraph) The Israel Defense Forces say that they killed Suhail Hussein Husseini, the head of Hezbollah's logistical headquarters and a member of the Jihad Council in an airstrike in Beirut, Lebanon, yesterday. (Times of Israel) Syrian civil war Israel's role in the Syrian civil war Seven people are killed in an Israeli airstrike on a residential building in Damascus, Syria. (Reuters) Terrorism in Norway The Norwegian Police Security Service upgrades the terror alert in the country from moderate to high due to threats to Israeli and Jewish locations. (Times of Israel) Health and environment The Environmental Protection Agency sets a 10-year deadline to replace all lead water pipes in the United States. (AP) Law and crime The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation announces the arrest of an Afghan national in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, for allegedly plotting an ISIS-related attack on Election Day in November. (AP) The Russian mass media agency bans social media platform Discord for violating the country's laws and to "prevent the use of messaging for terrorist and extremist purposes". (The Moscow Times) Science and technology Nobel Prize in Physics American physicist John Hopfield and British-Canadian computer scientist Geoffrey Hinton are awarded this year's Nobel Prize in Physics "for foundational discoveries and inventions that enable machine learning with artificial neural networks". (The Guardian)

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RD: Edward Vaughn

Article: Edward Vaughn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Michigan Chronicle
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Civil Rights Icon.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 21:53, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose The early career section is almost entirely unsourced. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 17:17, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Tim Johnson (South Dakota politician)

Article: Tim Johnson (South Dakota politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP, NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American politician, U.S. senator from South Dakota (1997–2015), dies at age 77. Davey2116 (talk) 03:08, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Needs sourcing work. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 17:08, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

(Pulled) RD: Bernard Tissier de Mallerais

Article: Bernard Tissier de Mallerais (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): La Croix
Credits:

• Nominated by Ad Orientem (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Dissident Catholic bishop. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:26, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Almost Support would like to see ISBNs for bibliography which I can do myself, but article is in decent shape sourcing wise. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 04:27, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support seems alright to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 08:21, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support no problems with the article. Scuba 18:23, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD Bibliography now fully referenced or with ISBNs. Spencer^T•C 00:59, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
• Pulled Pulling my own nom as it has been orange tagged by Qwirkle and cannot be linked on the main page while so tagged. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:10, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Luis Tiant

Article: Luis Tiant (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

• Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Admittedly, needs a lot of work. Hopefully can be improved by the end of the week, to get listed at RD. Natg 19 (talk) 17:21, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose yeah, article needs work Scuba 14:49, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose much of the early years and career sections are unreferenced. C messier (talk) 19:01, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose quite a bit of unsourced information. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 08:22, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Arie L. Kopelman

Article: Arie L. Kopelman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WWD
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Strattonsmith (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Thriley (talk) 17:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article seems good enough Rynoip (talk) 09:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support no problems I can see at a glance. Scuba 14:49, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Taye Atske Selassie elected President of Ethiopia

Article: Taye Atske Selassie (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Taye Atske Selassie is elected President of Ethiopia, succeeding Sahle-Work Zewde. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Taye Atske Selassie is appointed President of Ethiopia, succeeding Sahle-Work Zewde.
News source(s): Bloomberg Barron's (AFP)
Credits:

• Nominated by Varavour (talk · give credit)

There probably should be an article for the 2024 Ethiopian presidential election. Varavour (talk) 14:20, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Soft support with new blurb there was no election, Selassie was appointed to the office. But still, this is a new head of state and ITN/R Scuba 14:46, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Ethiopia is a parliamentary republic and the role of the President is largely ceremonial. Does that still qualify it for ITN/R? Scaramouche33 (talk) 16:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  no, not automatically. It can be discussed under the criteria of newsworthiness and relevance. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Change of head of state, ITN/R applies. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:37, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support. New head of state, and a recurring item. 64.114 etc 19:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support change of head of state is ITN/R regardless of system of govt This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support per others. 2605:8D80:400:BBDB:BC17:A461:397B:9102 (talk) 21:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC) Suspected sock per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/64.114 etc.—Bagumba (talk) 10:15, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality - Selassie's article isn't much longer than a stub. The Kip ^(contribs) 22:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Has nobody noticed that the article is a stub? Schwede66 22:47, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Recurring item, new head of state. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:E4DE:FA24:70FD:A760 (talk) 22:48, 8 October 2024 (UTC) Suspected sock per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/64.114 etc.—Bagumba (talk) 10:15, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality. Article really needs some expansion; at the moment it contains very barebones information on his life and career. ArkHyena (it/its) 23:59, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose the Prime Minister of Ethiopia is the holder of power, the president is just ceremonial and appointed. Secretlondon (talk) 06:19, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  Even though it is ceremonial it is still a change of head of state Rynoip (talk) 09:52, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality as per above. The article is currently barebones. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 06:17, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Change of head of state regardless if he is ceremonial or if he is appointed Rynoip (talk) 09:53, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on both the quality and importance. He is purely ceremonial head of state without almost no power. LiamKorda 10:02, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  We've posted Death of Queen Elizabeth II and Coronation of Charles III though, and those are much more ceremonial than in the Ethiopian system (a system which is not that rare either). Abcmaxx (talk) 12:19, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  But those were rare historical events (Death and coronation of a British monarch). Those events are the first ones in seven decades. Also, Death of the Queen Elizabeth is not a fair comparison since we are not talking about the death of a head of the state. Plus, the president of the Ethiopia is appointed to this position rather than indirectly elected through electoral college like some other countries that also have ceremonial head of state like Pakistan, Germany and India. LiamKorda 13:39, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  Elizabeth II was the head of over a about three dozen states and Charles III now "rules" them all except Barbados over a dozen. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:18, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  That fact makes her death and his coronation even more important since it concerns more than a dozen countries and therefore is not at all comparable to this nomination. LiamKorda 14:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  Everything is comparable, but yeah, they're certainly different. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:55, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  We've posted about the President of Singapore, who is similarly ceremonial. So It looks like there is precedent regardless. –DMartin 21:44, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  Like I said above, the president of Ethiopia is appointed to his position. Singapore’s president despite being ceremonial in nature is elected through a direct election. This nomination is just like a job posting. LiamKorda 05:14, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support notability The position is not entirely ceremoniał but in part, the president has executive powers vested in the Council of Ministers chaired by the prime minister. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:23, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability but neutral on quality Head of state of a regional power. Article doesn't have any glaring problems, but is quite short. –DMartin 21:49, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support New head of state, a type of recurring item. Ready to post! 72.143.234.123 (talk) 01:37, 10 October 2024 (UTC) Suspected sock per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/64.114 etc.—Bagumba (talk) 10:15, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support per many others. 74.49.190.204 (talk) 02:29, 10 October 2024 (UTC) Suspected sock per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/64.114 etc.—Bagumba (talk) 10:15, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Admin comment It doesn’t matter how many editors vote in support. Without someone putting in the effort and expanding the bio beyond stub status, it is not going to be posted. Schwede66 06:31, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Selassie's article is a stub. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 08:23, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Nobel Prize in Physics

Hopfield (left) and Hinton (right)

Articles: John Hopfield (talk · history · tag) and Geoffrey Hinton (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton receive the Nobel Prize in Physics for their inventions that enable machine learning with artificial neural networks. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton receive the Nobel Prize in Physics for their research in machine learning with artificial neural networks.
News source(s): The Guardian The New York Times Nobel Prize press release
Credits:

• Nominated by PrinceofPunjab (talk · give credit)

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Hopfield's article needs some work, but Hinton's article is in good shape. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 10:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support (for Hopfield) I just removed all nonsense from Hopfield article and cited what can be cited.--ReyHahn (talk) 11:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

We even have images now if you want to make it an image blurb.--ReyHahn (talk) 17:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support For once, quality of both awardees are good and updated, no need for major hair pulling rush to get ready for posting. --Masem (t) 11:59, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Could somebody with photo editing software please produce a combined mugshot for those Nobel recipients? Schwede66 19:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
  • @Schwede66: added image of both laureates using images from their respective infoboxes. Licensing info might need tweaking but I tried my best. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 21:14, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

    Yeah, not sure what the correct way is when we've got a mix of two different licenses. But the individual images have suitable licenses and that's what's important. Thanks for your help! Schwede66 21:27, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support on quality. 64.114 etc 21:53, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support on quality per 64 etc. 2605:8D80:400:BBDB:BC17:A461:397B:9102 (talk) 21:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC) Suspected sock per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/64.114 etc.—Bagumba (talk) 10:17, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 22:34, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Support articles look good. Scuba 03:15, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

October 7

Portal:Current events/2024 October 7

October 7, 2024 (2024-10-07) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Crimea attacks An oil terminal in Feodosia, the largest oil facility in Russian-occupied Crimea, catches fire following an overnight drone attack by Ukrainian forces. Russian state media reports that a state of emergency has been declared in Feodosia due to a "human-made disaster". (Ukrainska Pravda) Eastern Ukraine campaign One person is killed and six others, including two children, are injured in Russian shelling that hit several apartment buildings in Sloviansk, Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine. (Reuters) Southern Ukraine campaign Russian missiles strike two cargo ships in the Port of Odesa, including a Palau-flagged ship carrying grain, killing a port worker and injuring five crew members. (Reuters) Israel–Hamas war Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis launch rockets and missiles towards Tel Aviv, Haifa, and Tiberias, Israel, on the anniversary of the Hamas-led attack on Israel. Twelve people are injured. (The Times of Israel) (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2024 Atlantic hurricane season Hurricane Milton Hurricane Milton intensifies into a Category 5 hurricane with a minimum central pressure of 897 millibars. (National Hurricane Center) Pasco, Hillsborough, and Pinellas counties in Florida, United States, close schools and order evacuations of residential healthcare facilities in advance of Hurricane Milton's arrival. (Tampa Bay Times) Ten people are killed and an unknown number of others are missing when a mine collapses in Central Province, Zambia. (AP) Health and environment The Nigeria Centre for Disease Control reports more than 350 deaths from cholera in Nigeria this year, which is more than twice as many than in the same period last year. (DW) International relations Philippines–South Korea relations During a state visit by South Korean president Yoon Suk Yeol to the Philippines, the Philippines and South Korea agree to upgrade their relations to a strategic partnership. (ABC News) Politics and elections Israel–Hamas war protests 2024 Israeli protests Israelis, including hostage families, protest outside Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's official residence in Jerusalem. (NBC News) (ABC News) Thousands of pro-Palestinian protests are held worldwide to mark the first anniversary of the Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip. (Reuters) 2024 Georgian parliamentary election The Parliament of Georgia initiates a motion to impeach pro-Western President Salome Zourabichvili over accusations of unauthorized overseas visits, ahead of the parliamentary election on October 26. (Reuters) 2024 Tunisian presidential election Incumbent Tunisian President Kais Saied wins a second term with 90.7% of the vote in the presidential election. The Independent High Authority for Elections reports a voter turnout of 28.8%, the lowest since the 2011 Tunisian revolution. (Al Jazeera) Human rights in Pakistan The Pakistani government bans the Pashtun Tahafuz Movement, a social movement for Pashtun human rights, calling the movement a "proscribed organization". (Al Jazeera) 2024 Ethiopian presidential election The Federal Parliamentary Assembly elects Taye Atske Selassie as the new President of Ethiopia, succeeding Sahle-Work Zewde. (BBC News) Science and technology Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine American biologists Victor Ambros and Gary Ruvkun are awarded this year's Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine "for the discovery of microRNA and its role in post-transcriptional gene regulation". (CNN) The European Space Agency spacecraft Hera is successfully launched on a Falcon 9 Block 5 rocket by SpaceX from the Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida, United States. The spacecraft will study the asteroid 65803 Didymos and evaluate the impact of the earlier Double Asteroid Redirection Test. (Space News)

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RD: Amaury du Closel

Article: Amaury du Closel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Radio France
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

French conductor and composer who will be remembered for promoting the music of composers who were silenced by totalitarian regimes in the 20th century. Stubbish article expanded and referenced more. There could be more detail from the sources found, if someone has the time to add it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:11, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Hera mission launch

Article: Hera (space mission) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The space mission Hera (pictured) launches from Cape Canaveral on 7 October 2024 at 14:52 UTC. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The space mission by ESA, Hera (pictured) launches from Cape Canaveral on 7 October 2024 at 14:52 UTC.
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

• Nominated by High Admiral JMT (talk · give credit)
• Created by MANARAJu (talk · give credit)

A new space probe launched. Rather famous for being the first mission to rendezvous with a binary asteroid. High Admiral JMT (talk) 08:40, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose on quality More references are needed. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 21:40, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• I feel we should wait under Dec 2026 when this reaches its destination and meets ITNR. The launch itself seemed fairly routine/trivial Masem (t) 21:53, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Soft oppose This launch should be posted, however, the article in it's current state isn't ready. Scuba 03:47, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Brian Hastings

Article: Brian Hastings (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Former world record holder Kiwi cricket batter Brian Hastings dies
Credits:

• Nominated by Schwede66 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Paora (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Have gone through the article and added missing citations. Looks in decent shape now. Schwede66 21:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Almost Ready. The first paragraph in the career section needs to be sourced. After that, the article looks good to go. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:50, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support article is now good to go. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 08:26, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 15:28, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Lore Segal

Article: Lore Segal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, ABC News
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:4C5F:E789:5E5F:4B18 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Austrian-American novelist, teacher and short story writer. 240F:7A:6253:1:4C5F:E789:5E5F:4B18 (talk) 06:43, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support article seems alright to me. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 15:28, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Hurricane Milton

Article: Hurricane Milton (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hurricane Milton (pictured) is upgraded to a Category 5 hurricane. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Hurricane Milton (pictured) is upgraded to a Category 5 hurricane by the National Hurricane Center.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Hurricane Milton (pictured), one of the fastest-intensifying and most intense Atlantic hurricanes on record, approaches Florida.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Historic evacuations commence in Florida in advance of Hurricane Milton, the most intense Atlantic hurricane since 2005.
News source(s): [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]
Credits:

• Nominated by Des Vallee (talk · give credit)
• Created by Vida0007 (talk · give credit)

This Hurricane has had incredible effects on the southern United States already, it's already a category 5 hurricane and has caused mass evacuations so far. It is as strong as Hurricane Dean, and is currently the dominating the reporting in the US. It is an important historical event that is occurring. Des Vallee (talk) 23:01, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Wait as per usual we wait to see what the impact is, not before it makes landfall. It has a good chance to be posted after that. Masem (t) 23:16, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
  • To add, the reason we wait for landfall is that the coverage of damage itself needs to be established as to make sure the quality of the article is going in the right direction. If for some reason Milton just vanished overnight and did no landfall, the article still would need improvements to describe that. It's clear this won't happen, Milton will cause a lot of flooding if not more, but we show know how extensive that is without our article to make sure the quality is established. — Masem (t) 16:16, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Wait Unlike Helene, we have a conceivable chance of seeing an objective record being broken, with Milton already having the fastest intensification from TD to Category 5. Otherwise, wait until landfall and actual impacts. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 23:22, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until the impacts are known, although I would support blurbing this if more intensity records are broken by this storm. (I mean, it's already the 5th most intense Atlantic hurricane as of this writing, I would not be surprised if it would try to break Wilma's record low pressure.) Vida0007 (talk) 00:09, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Changing this to Post-posting support. Well-sourced, and this is definitely the biggest news right now. This hurricane's impacts are now being felt in Florida too, even spawning several tornadoes. Vida0007 (talk) 00:20, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• I believe it is now the most intense in the Gulf of Mexico, and the strongest since Wilma overall. I don't think it's going to reach Wilma's intensity though. It's probably going to be blurbed at landfall anyway. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 00:11, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• SMH. Can we PLEASE wait for impacts in the future? Not gonna request a closure like last time because Milton is already impacting portions of the Gulf Coast and probably will be worthy of posting within 48 hours, but really, we should wait in the future. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:13, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  I think that Milton in particular is different than Helene and the other one I can't remember immediately: Milton is setting records well over 24 hours out from landfall, and I think that warrants having an ITN discussion open. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 00:15, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  ITN is not great for posting of records that routinely get broken (like strongest storms). Its the impact of the storm that matters, because not only that is what gets larger attention, but also a better judge for quality of the article to make sure it covers the bulk of such impacts. — Masem (t) 00:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  Seconding what Masem said. And I'm gonna say the forbidden words again: as things stand currently, Milton is a much better DYK candidate than a ITN candidate. DarkSide830 (talk) 00:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  No, it's quite unsuitable for DYK because it's breaking news and so the article will be getting lots of development. The DYK process might take weeks as it has a long pipeline which is overloaded and so is not appropriate for such a topical topic. ITN is obviously the best place to handle this as it routinely covers weather stories and is currently blurbing two others. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  Post-Posting Support. I'm pleased with this timing. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:05, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Wait Can't we just wait for the tropical cyclone's impacts instead of nominating it as soon as it reaches a certain intensity? Patience is a virtue. --_ZZ^Z'S 00:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support It already seems clear that this is a big one and the preparations are in the news. The article seems reasonably substantial with 65 citations and counting. It's silly to hold back on this so we can continue to blurb a stale sports story from over a week ago. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  I'm unconvinced that there's a reason to bash a sports nomination, especially given that 1 week isn't particularly long ago. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:28, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  That blurb has been run for 8 straight days now, which is much more than the typical featured article gets, never mind DYK. But you know the saying "there's nothing as stale as yesterday's news"? Just think how much more that applies when it's last week's news or last month's news, as it is in that case. And then there's diminishing returns too. After our readers have seen the item a few times, then they will starting tuning it out. And so the consequence is that just about no-one is reading that article now. It's done.

  The fix for this is easy; just run new items that are actually in the news. Like this hurricane that is so terrifying that it moved a veteran meteorologist to tears.

  Andrew🐉(talk) 14:37, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support I agree with Andrew Davidson, The article is in a good shape, is making headlines and I think it is good enough time now to post this. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:59, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose until we can give Milton a blurb that puts it above all the other category 5 hurricanes that didn't make ITN. So far, all we have is preparations (WP:CRYSTALBALL), the intensity (strongest since 2005), and the speed of intensification (fastest on record from tropical depression to category 5). If we can't, then let's have the patience to wait until landfall. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 11:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Support Altblurb 2 proposed, which I think gives it the correct importance. Yes, it's before landfall we're supporting it, but this is a record-setter after all (strongest since 2005, least time between TD and cat 5 hurricane). GeorgeMemulous (talk) 13:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support per GeorgeMemulous. Based on the intensification, this particular one is an exception to the rule that we wait for a direct landfall on the mainland U.S. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:29, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Wait It hasn't hit land yet, its a good idea to wait for its effects and any casualty tolls before it is published on ITN. It is also a good idea include Helene alongside it when it makes landfall, as two powerful and devastating hurricanes in a very close period of time is notable. NikolaiVektovich (talk) 13:35, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  Helene's devastation was primarily in North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia (U.S. state), whereas Milton's is almost certainly going to be concentrated in Florida. While it is true both will have had significant impacts around Tampa, I think their geographic separation, the fact Helene is gone and stale, and the fact that Milton is so extraordinary means the blurb should only be on Milton. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 13:39, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• As others (and I) have pointed out numerous times in prior TC ITN proposals, we should Wait for impacts or future developments. Category 5 hurricanes are not particularly rare for the North Atlantic basin, and though its RI episode was impressive, I'm not sure if that is truly ITN-worthy. As far as I can recall, the only meteorological record Milton has solidly broken is its extremely unusual motion vector as a C5 hurricane, which is trivial information at best. Milton has not broken any notable meteorological records that may make it ITN-worthy regardless of impacts (e.g. most intense Atlantic hurricane, still comfortably held by Wilma). In regards to abundant news coverage of Milton, this is primarily due to its expected, potentially devastating impacts to the Tampa Bay Area and much of west Florida. Though significant impacts are almost certainly—and unfortunately—going to happen, WP:CRYSTAL applies here until they do happen.

ArkHyena (it/its) 14:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Wait for landfall, as per usual. Scuba 14:51, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support per GeorgeMemulous. Huge news already due to millions of people ordered to evacuate and the existing documented extreme intensification and strength. There’s no need to wait, per WaltClip, and the article is in good shape per PrinceofPunjab. I strongly disagree with the reasoning expressed by !votes to wait. This is a blurb-worthy ITN story now. Jusdafax (talk) 16:26, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Already has made a bit of mess in the Yucatan peninsula where it brought rain and winds. (Reminder cyclones don't have to make landfall to do things) Mandatory evacuation orders issued, mass evacuations, some major airports already closed. Seems pretty impactful to me already. Tampa Bay mayor: "you're going to die" The purpose of ITN, and Wikipedia, is to serve the readers, not play Nomic and make up a bunch of arbitrary rules and robotically apply them no matter what. The "real world" is frequently messy and comes in many shades of gray, not stark blank-and-white. (idly wonders whether if an asteroid were predicted on a near certain collision course with a major city, people at ITN would strenuously argue "we have to wait and see what the impacts (heh heh) are first before we post it, can't foretell the future don't know what'll happen for certain") --Slowking Man (talk) 16:38, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  Besides the implied false equivalency between tropical cyclones, where dozens make land impacts every year, and an asteroid strike on a major city, which would be entirely unprecedented in human history, there is the fact that weather forecasts can and do bust. Milton's impacts on Florida are far from "near certain", even if I would state that significant to catastrophic impacts are very likely myself. Weather is messy and it would be bad practice to push a weather event to ITN on the presumption that it will inflict significant impacts before those impacts actually happen. A prime example would be Typhoon Bebinca (2024), which for several days appeared likely (and was explicitly forecast by the JTWC) to make an unprecedented and potentially devastating landfall near Shanghai before dry air halted its intensification. ArkHyena (it/its) 23:43, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  In terms of a really bad hit true, though a "graze" or two have happened. Fun fact the Tunguska impactor, if merely displaced in time by 6-ish hrs (so the Earth would have rotated to a different spot) would have obliterated St Petersburg (then capital of the Russian Empire) and devastated the Baltic region (by causing a tsunami). (Per article estimated power in megatons which is "big-ass H-bomb" levels to use the scientific term) A premise more alt history stories need to take and run with.

  The Qingyang event also is interesting, unfortunately we don't have much info and could have been other things like storms. Speaking of, a big impact over the 70% of our planet covered by water would cause a tsunami which is decidedly not unprecedented. Look at the Eltanin impact, just don't read that before bedtime

  My broad point was Milton has already caused significant impacts regardless of the future. Mass evacs, disaster declarations etc are impacts. I see now they're closing Wally World, apparently giant megacorps are taking actions with "impacts" (big employer, for one). Just say that in ITN: "disaster declarations evac orders etc are issued for Milton", no predicting the future needed. Slowking Man (talk) 03:15, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Wait to see impact. - RockinJack18 16:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Wait/Oppose Alt Blurb I per above. Sure it's one of the strongest Atlantic hurricanes on record, but people will remember Milton for its destruction more. Oppose Alt Blurb I because there has been plenty of Category 5 hurricanes that didn't make ITN, like Hurricane Lee (2023) and Hurricane Lorenzo (2019). For other Category 5 hurricanes that made it it ITN, it was for its destruction, not its strength. For Alb Blurb II, it can be added to future destruction info. INeedSupport ^:3 18:25, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Wait but noting now my support once it makes landfall. As I am just south of Tampa on Florida's west coast, I probably am going to be offline when it comes in and possibly for some days following. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  Best of luck, Ad Orientem. Look after yourself. Schwede66 21:28, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:31, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  Hopefully you'll be fine. Good luck! INeedSupport ^:3 02:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  Good luck! Hope the best for you. Rynoip (talk) 09:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support per Andrew Davidson. This is already in the news now, and the scale of evacuation is unprecedented. We can update it if or when things worsen, but there is no hard rule which says we need to delay. Also, on a communal responsibility level, I think we should be blurbing this for our readers now with altblurb2 making clear the severity... believe it or not, there are many who do not check the news and we can do our part in communicating how serious this is is. Flip^andFlopped ツ 21:48, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  I object to the point that blurbing this before it makes landfall is a good idea ignoring notability to inform those in the storm's path. By now I find it hard to believe that anyone in the track of Milton doesn't know what's going on, and those that do probably aren't checking Wikipedia's In The News, and even then, I don't know what's left to do after all the panic buying and evacuations being stalled on the highways. Wikipedia is not a newspaper and I'd bet less than half a percent of Wikipedia's reader base is even in the path. If they weren't swayed by world news headlines, I doubt they'd be swayed by an ITN entry. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 22:37, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support It's in the news, and the impacts are already being felt as hundreds of thousands of people are evacuating. Kcmastrpc (talk) 21:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose The evacuations arent going to be of much importance compared to the impact.

Noah, BSBA^Talk 21:59, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support once it makes landfall I'm very biased on this one as I'm in its path and it would be a miracle if I still had the ability to log in to cast a !vote after landfall actually happens and the impacts start to become known, but if the storm's impact on Tampa, Clearwater, Sarasota, etc is anywhere near what is forecast, it is all but certain that this will warrant posting. Wishing Ad Orientem and anyone else in Milton's path all the best. Stay safe, and get somewhere safer if you still can.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 01:06, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Also support altblurbs 2/3 if posted before landfall as the extraordinary strength of this storm is very much in the news.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 15:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support, Category 5 hurricane. TyphoonAmpil ^{[citation needed]} 02:39, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support when it makes landfall but needs better blurb.

 Nixinova   T   C   06:48, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Altblurb 3 proposed. This is the last one that will be made before landfall. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 11:48, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article quality is very good, front page headlines all over the world for the last few days; we have to remember the basic principle that this is called "In the news" for a reason. Clearly having substantial impact, and if anything changes we can amend blurbs as necessary. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:32, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support now - as with Helene, the storm is having an extremely prominent and newsworthy effect already in terms of evacuation and other preparations, and we can update the blurb to reflect the physical impact once that occurs. I do think we've had a problem recently with premature nominations for tropical storms, but this is now very ripe. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:22, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  This is the most support I've seen for a hurricane before it actually makes landfall... except for Hurricane Dorian which somehow made it into Ongoing. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 13:37, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support per policy-based arguments and Lieutenant Dan, a bloke with one leg, who has parked his boat in the middle of Tampa Harbour, is going nowhere and says that God has got his back. He has no life jacket and can only swim in a circle. SerialNumber54129 13:53, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  His name is Dan? Don't you mean "Bob"? (Or more like, "Sink"? Florida Man Dan eh? Boy, oh, Buoy…) --Slowking Man (talk) 14:43, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Wait, until landfall. If a blurb must be chosen now, it should be blurb III as the other three relating to intensity aren't of worldwide interest. ✶Quxyz✶ 15:10, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Normally I push waiting until there's indication of damage, but there's massive media coverage of this already, and it's a once-in-a-century storm that will hit this very urban area. The leading edge of the rain (perhaps the most intense portion) is already hitting the cost. Nfitz (talk) 16:04, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  Support – as the impacts in Florida are already occurring as of this writing; and it’ll only get worse. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 16:08, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  I support blurb #3. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 16:10, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Quick vote tally:

15 saying wait until landfall (6 in the past 24 hours).

14 saying support posting now (7 in the past 24 hours).

0 saying oppose outright from my knowledge.

I might be a bit off in my counting, but it seems to be about even. If we post before landfall, it should be posted sooner rather than later so that it isn't immediately outdated. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 16:09, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

@GeorgeMemulous, correct me if I’m wrong, but this is a consensus, not a vote. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 16:13, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a democracy but the vote tally is still a useful tool for determining consensus. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 16:22, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Suggestion Nasa has images of Milton from the ISS that show the scale of the storm, which might be more interesting than the norm image used for hurricanes/typhoons. [9] Masem (t) 16:55, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Masem: The ISS video doesn't show Milton at its peak nor it shows it nearing landfall. I don't think it's more interesting than the usual image used for hurricanes. INeedSupport ^:3 21:56, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Support posting immediately Category 5 hurricanes are relatively rare, impact will obviously be severe, and preparations themselves are so serious that they're already noteworthy.–DMartin 22:45, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Well as of ~10 mins ago the eyewall is starting to move onshore, might as well post prior to midnight UTC, unless a consensus is found to ensure sufficient time to rule out the possibility of last-second divine intervention before posting something on ITN. --Slowking Man (talk) 23:20, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Posted I've posted with the wording that "Milton ... approaches Florida". We can update that in due course. Schwede66 23:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  Landfall is now confirmed by the National Hurricane Center. I suggest an altblurb similar to "Hurricane Milton, the most intense Atlantic hurricane since 2005, makes landfall in Florida." or something of the like. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 00:49, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Cissy Houston

Article: Cissy Houston (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

• Nominated by TheCorriynial (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Mother of Whitney Houston, singer with The Sweet Inspirations which preformed with many acts such as Elvis, and also brief solo career. Issues exist with the article. TheCorriynial (talk) 19:33, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Article needs ref improvement. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:47, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose orange tagged and quite a bit unsourced information. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose article needs work. Scuba 14:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Zaw Myint Maung

Article: Zaw Myint Maung (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Week,ABCNews
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Close aide of Aung San Suu Kyi Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support article is a little short but it's properly cited. Scuba 15:37, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Almost there: one CN tag needs a look, and it's generally pretty sparse (his appointment as Chief Minister is mentioned in the lead, but not in the body). UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:42, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support one cn tag but nothing else major preventing it. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:54, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Unreferenced DoB. Schwede66 08:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Posted—Bagumba (talk) 07:47, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine

Articles: Victor Ambros (talk · history · tag) and Gary Ruvkun (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Victor Ambros and Gary Ruvkun (both pictured) receive the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for their discovery of microRNA. (Post)
News source(s): NYT, Nobel Prize press release
Credits:

• Nominated by Sandstein (talk · give credit)
• Updated by MiRroar (talk · give credit), Liu1126 (talk · give credit), Cfls (talk · give credit) and Intrepidity (talk · give credit)

Article updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Standard fare for ITN. Putting it up here to discuss whether article quality is adequate. Sandstein 11:25, 7 October 2024 (UTC) / Consolidated with an edit-conflicted nomination by Oceanh (talk) 11:19, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for now; the awards sections in both articles are almost entirely uncited. Support Looks good now! Estreyeria (talk) 14:57, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose articles look fine, but neither have a section on winning the nobel prize, I'd be willing to change my vote when those sections are made. Scuba 15:38, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose until more valid references are added and non-documented personal information is removed. We have to be careful per WP:BLP.--ReyHahn (talk) 16:25, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Wait because we should post all of the winners at once. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 00:35, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  We never done such a thing.--ReyHahn (talk) 10:18, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  Don't invent new rules. In the past some winners were not even posted, shame on us Varoon2542 (talk) 12:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose both of the bolded articles needs more sources. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:53, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Support I've added sources for the Awards sections and some other general info in both articles, but there are a few sentences on their research that aren't explicitly sourced, which will likely require citations to their research papers. We should get someone more qualified from WP:BIOL to look at those. I've managed to source the technical parts too. The two articles are now fully cited, so I'm formally supporting. Liu1126 (talk) 12:20, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support If the Nobel Prize for Medicine is not published before it gets stale, then shame on us — Preceding unsigned comment added by Varoon2542 (talk • contribs) 12:32, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support nice work! Seems good enough. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:15, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Support Article looks good. 64.114 etc 00:47, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Support. Thanks, Liu. Ready to post! 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:F4F3:BC7A:91D8:83C6 (talk) 00:49, 10 October 2024 (UTC) Suspected sock per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/64.114 etc.—Bagumba (talk) 10:19, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Support per the last four consecutive users. 2605:8D80:401:9506:71A2:F7E:99F4:3379 (talk) 00:50, 10 October 2024 (UTC) Suspected sock per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/64.114 etc.—Bagumba (talk) 10:19, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Support notable event, you’re good to go. 72.143.234.123 (talk) 01:38, 10 October 2024 (UTC) Suspected sock per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/64.114 etc.—Bagumba (talk) 10:19, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Support as with others. 74.49.190.204 (talk) 02:30, 10 October 2024 (UTC) Suspected sock per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/64.114 etc.—Bagumba (talk) 10:19, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Marking ready. Nice work by the updaters. Good to go to the mainpage. Well done. Ktin (talk) 03:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

@Admins willing to post ITN: We need to post this ASAP to avoid Tuesday's news being the oldest news item and leaving this one stale. This week is frenetic with the Nobel and other news. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:02, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

I like Ktin's idea Wikipedia_talk:In_the_news#Box_for_Nobel_Prizes. Does anyone want to do this? Natg 19 (talk) 17:09, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

As I've explained there a box doesn't work because we often have failed to get articles to quality before they are stale. However, we can put List of Nobel laureates into Ongoing for next week or so once these start dropping off the list. Masem (t) 17:54, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Masem (t) 17:54, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Ildar Dadin

Article: Ildar Dadin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died on Sunday but looks to have been confirmed today. Article is good length but needs more citations, especially in certain sections. Also needs a "death" section. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:17, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose yeah, it needs citations, "Dadin's scheme" section is almost devoid of them. Scuba 15:36, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Not ready article needs some work in sourcing. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

2024 Kazakh nuclear power referendum

Article: 2024 Kazakh nuclear power referendum (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Kazakhstan votes for its first nuclear power plant (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Kazakhstan approves proposed nuclear power plant in referendum
Alternative blurb II: ​ Kazakhstan votes for its first nuclear power plant since their independence from the Soviet Union.
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Created and nominated by ShadZ01 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

 ShadZ01 (talk) 11:10, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: Not notable enough (according to me). High Admiral JMT (talk) 13:01, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on notability. There's no way to know if the plant will actually be finished, so ideally it should be nominated then. Also, Kazakhstan isn't under the same international nuclear scrutiny as somewhere like Iran, and this isn't exactly a fusion reactor - nuclear power has been around for many decades, and Kazakhstan is a leading exporter of uranium, so it's not a surprise one gets built. Plus, I doubt it's notable in of itself, beyond being the country's only one, assuming no disaster or international crisis happens, which from a glance at the article seems unlikely with 6 decades of nuclear safety backing it up. As for the steps towards global carbon neutrality, the Ratcliffe-on-Soar Power Station closure from 30 September is sitting in ITN limbo - receiving little attention, with unclear consensus.

Also, Nuclear power in Kazakhstan states in its first paragraph Kazakhstan already had a nuclear reactor online in the Soviet era, so this isn't really their first. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 13:20, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose we don't usually include referendums unless they're notable enough geopolitically. Scuba 14:59, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support i think it's important and faily unusual too, a big step from the usual anti nucelar sentiment of the western populace. Kasperquickly (talk) 23:36, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose We do not post referendums except in some extremely rare cases, this is not one of those cases. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Sometimes this gets a little tiring to hear at ITN, but I do think this is an instance of "more suited for WP:DYK". A 5-sec Web glance tells me there are several new reactors globally that had construction begin this year, and more with construction planned to commence in the near-term future. For me, this would lean more towards "ITN stuff" if there had been some long-term global reactor moratorium, and this had been a marked shift, or if KZ was a country known for a past stance of disapproval toward new reactor construction. But to my knowledge KZ just hasn't planned any new construction previously b/c of a mix of economic and political factors and lack of perceived need; please correct if wrong. --Slowking Man (talk) 18:04, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  And under what criterion would this article qualify for DYK, Slowking Man? Schwede66 22:53, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  Idk I don't pay much attention to whatever Byzantine rules they have over there. Life's too short if you ask me. Guessing you need to file your nomination forms in triplicate and ensure you provide at least six notarized copies of the article or else *bzzt* so sorry, no dice? If there's a bunch of arbitrary hoops to jump through or else people making good & useful contributions get denied recognition for their freely given volunteer labor, that's obviously dumb and ought to be tossed. If I were King Of Wikipedia For A Day I'd probably just make DYK something like, nominate whatever, any nom that gets say, 4 or so votes in favor gets run unless some kind of Big No-no were identified (copyright, false info etc). The reading public does not care whether some DYK item happens not to comply with rule 4 clause 14 subsection 3(b)(2) Slowking Man (talk) 01:45, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  My point is that it's a little tiring to hear from editors who have no idea how DYK works that an article should be nominated there, Slowking Man. Schwede66 04:56, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  Right, good point, importantly, don't want to give nominators wrong impressions. Guess in the future I should put it something like "some Platonic ideal process for recognition and highlighting Interesting Stuff that isn't quite Really Big News (since ITN is pretty space-constrained)" Slowking Man (talk) 01:01, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support Important, fairly unusual, per Kasperquickly. 2605:8D80:401:9506:71A2:F7E:99F4:3379 (talk) 01:42, 10 October 2024 (UTC) Suspected sock per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/64.114 etc.—Bagumba (talk) 10:25, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support, also per Kasper. 64.114 etc 01:43, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support, important event. Looks good enough. 74.49.190.204 (talk) 02:31, 10 October 2024 (UTC) Suspected sock per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/64.114 etc.—Bagumba (talk) 10:20, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support That’s… unusual. Good to go. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:4C8B:D7C5:6DAF:1827 (talk) 03:18, 10 October 2024 (UTC) Suspected sock per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/64.114 etc.—Bagumba (talk) 10:20, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

October 6

Portal:Current events/2024 October 6

October 6, 2024 (2024-10-06) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war 2024 Beersheba bus station shooting A police officer is killed and thirteen other people are injured in Beersheba, Israel, in an incident described as a terrorist attack. The perpetrator is shot dead by security forces. (The Jerusalem Post) Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip At least 26 people are killed in Israeli airstrikes allegedly targeting Hamas militants that hit a mosque and a school housing displaced Palestinians in Deir al-Balah in the Gaza Strip. (BBC News) Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon Hezbollah claims that its attacks on Israeli soldiers trying to infiltrate Blida, Lebanon, forced the soldiers to retreat. (AFP via Barron's) The Israeli military establishes a forward operating base near a United Nations peacekeeping force in Lebanon, putting peacekeepers at risk. UNIFIL has refused the Israeli military's request to move its positions. (Al Jazeera) A rocket fired from Lebanon strikes a restaurant in Haifa, Israel, injuring at least six people. (The Jerusalem Post) Insurgency in Sindh At least two people, both Chinese nationals, are killed and ten others are injured when an oil tanker truck exploded near Jinnah International Airport in Karachi, Pakistan. The separatist group Balochistan Liberation Army claims responsibility for the explosion, stating they targeted a convoy of Chinese workers of the Port Qasim Electric Power Company. (Crisis24) (Reuters) Law and crime 2024 Godini shooting Six people are killed and four others are injured in a mass shooting after eight gunmen open fire on a group of community patrollers in Godini village near Qumbu, Eastern Cape, South Africa. The shooting took place on the day of the memorial service for the victims of the Lusikisiki shootings, which also occurred in the Eastern Cape. (News24) Science and technology Europa Clipper Due to Hurricane Milton, NASA cancels the launch of the Europa Clipper scheduled for October 10. (CBS News)

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RD: Alejandro Arcos

Article: Alejandro Arcos (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)
• Created by Jengod (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jengod (talk · give credit) and JTtheOG (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Mexican politician and municipal president of Chilpancingo de los Bravo. Assassinated on 6 October. TJMSmith (talk) 02:39, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

• Looking for footnotes in the main prose for date and place of birth and place of death. Hopefully, adding text for these things would bring this short wikibio's word count above 300 and more comfortably into Start Class. --PFHLai (talk) 12:46, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

2024 Tunisian presidential election

Article: 2024 Tunisian presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Incumbent Tunisian President Kais Saied is declared the winner of the 2024 Tunisian presidential election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Incumbent Tunisian President Kais Saied is declared the winner of the 2024 Tunisian presidential election which was boycotted by the opposition.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Incumbent Tunisian President Kais Saied is declared the winner of the 2024 Tunisian presidential election which was boycotted due to opposition candidates being disqualified.
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by Scu ba (talk · give credit)
• Created by BastianMAT (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: A national election per ITN/R, waited a bit before bringing it here since the article wasn't updated Scuba 16:56, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Support blurb II The election being boycotted should be included but also why. Rynoip (talk) 23:01, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Sincerely asking since I'm uncertain, is it considered a sham election generally by "independent neutral observers"? If so do we blurb those? (In any case that fact should be mentioned in any blurb, I would think) --Slowking Man (talk) 01:08, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

  Independent third party election monitors where barred from monitoring due to being NGOs that received foreign funding (a la Russian NGO law). All the opposition parties have called the election a farce, and most media outlets have covered that. All that being said I don't think I've seen a media outlet do their own independent investigation into the fraud. Scuba 12:36, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Support altblurb II I agree with Rynoip. 64.114 etc 02:04, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Support alternative blurb 2. Good to post. 2605:8D80:401:9506:71A2:F7E:99F4:3379 (talk) 02:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC) Suspected sock per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/64.114 etc.—Bagumba (talk) 10:13, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Support as this is a general election that deserves to be posted. 74.49.190.204 (talk) 02:32, 10 October 2024 (UTC) Suspected sock per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/64.114 etc.—Bagumba (talk) 10:13, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Support per 74. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:4C8B:D7C5:6DAF:1827 (talk) 03:19, 10 October 2024 (UTC) Suspected sock per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/64.114 etc.—Bagumba (talk) 10:13, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support altblurb II. ITN/R or not, it does seem the oresident of Tunisia wields enough power to post this election. And I usually don't like to include reactions in such blurbs, seeing as most elections of have some sort, but boycotting by candidates is a big deal in my opinion. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:22, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: No prose at present in the results section. Spencer^T•C 00:49, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Sefedin Braho

Article: Sefedin Braho (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): A2 News (in Albanian)
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Well referenced although a little short Abcmaxx (talk) 08:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose article is currently a stub. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:48, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Only 80 words? That's way too stubby for an appearance on MainPage. --PFHLai (talk) 12:49, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

RD: Dave Hobson

Article: Dave Hobson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MSN
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• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Needs work but long time Congressman.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 15:10, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose does indeed need work. Scuba 15:32, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose orange tagged article with only three sources. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:47, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• The first footnote appears at the end of the fourth paragraph of the main prose? So much unsourced materials. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 12:51, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Johan Neeskens

Article: Johan Neeskens (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport, Reuters, AP News
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• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:31B8:ECBC:1D01:F0D8 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Deathisallaroundus (talk · give credit) and Albert101032 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Noted Dutch football manager and player. 240F:7A:6253:1:31B8:ECBC:1D01:F0D8 (talk) 15:02, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Article is in good shape Prodrummer619 (talk) 15:34, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose most of the article is uncited. Scuba 15:35, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support there is one cn tag but that shouldn't hold it back from getting posted. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:46, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Unreferenced DoB. Schwede66 17:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support the Dutch football magazine Voetbal International unsurprisingly had a comprehensive obituary, fully available for free. [10] It helped me fill in the gaps and then some. Unknown Temptation (talk) 23:39, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 08:47, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Sinking of HMNZS Manawanui

Article: HMNZS Manawanui (2019) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Royal New Zealand Navy ship Manawanui sinks off Upolu, Samoa, after running aground. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least 12 people are injured as the Royal New Zealand Navy ship Manawanui sinks after grounding off Upolu, Samoa.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
• Updated by IdiotSavant (talk · give credit) and Nick-D (talk · give credit)

Fairly unusual for commissioned navy vessels to sink, particularly Western vessels. This is the first RNZN vessel to sink since WWII. Article could use some updating. Will see what I can add - Dumelow (talk) 18:52, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

I've expanded it to a reasonably complete update - Dumelow (talk) 19:22, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

I think I know what happened. Schwede66 03:30, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment We generally do not post military vessel accidents, since such are considered part of the duty. --Masem (t) 19:18, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

  Interested in seeing some discussion on this; I think such sinkings are rare enough (particularly in Western navies). We posted the accidental sinking of the Iranian navy's Kharg in 2021 - Dumelow (talk) 19:26, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

  Meaning no disrespect toward Her Majesty and no respect toward the Ayatollah, but IRIS Kharg had been around for longer, seeing more people and doing more things. Her loss was more "significant" for having spent those further 42 years afloat. Sometimes localized rarities just aren't rare enough. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:49, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose For the Royal New Zealand Navy, sure, not the most pleasant experience. But in terms of recent boat sinkings, count your blessings. Article isn't bad. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:48, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

  There were more deaths, sure, but are you seriously comparing the sinking of a "locally made wooden boat", as described in your source, to a modern naval vessel? —Cryptic 22:03, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

  Not in construction, maintenance and several other ways we can (and should) view an object. But as an event, yeah. Both seriously sunk in two newsworthy ways (and one we generally don't post). InedibleHulk (talk) 22:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose No deaths, small ship, unimportant country (I didn't even know they had a military or a navy) Kasperquickly (talk) 22:37, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

  That last part is an absurdly ignorant and snide comment, but from your past history, unfortunately not out of your typical behavior.

  Quit it if you want to continue participating in ITNR, because I can assure you people don’t like it. The Kip ^(contribs) 23:51, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

  Well, it got a hearty belly laugh out of me! Schwede66 03:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Kasperquickly Knock it off. If you are unable to contribute to a discussion w/o being rude and obnoxious, then kindly don't. You've been here long enough to know better. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:28, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

  @Kasperquickly your on how many warnings again and you continue to do these acts?? learn a lesson please and stop with the offensive rhetoric and personal attacks on others Ion.want.uu (talk) 01:37, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

  Yeah mate, real helpful. ITN isn’t for you to show off your ignorance it’s for discussion. I personally disagree with posting this but there are other ways to do it then saying oppose because “the country is unimportant (no such thing)” 27.96.223.193 (talk) 08:46, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

  “the country is unimportant (no such thing)”

  there is such thing though, this palce has been filled with news about elections in pacific micronations with populations of 10,000 people for no other reason than the local editors wanting to virtue signal others how liberal they are Kasperquickly (talk) 23:39, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

  I think 27 is referring to your (at least prior) idea that there's "no such thing" as a New Zealand Defence Force. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:16, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  I get the outrage, especially from the new zealander editors, but I actually honestly had thought New ZEaland was on this list: List of sovereign states without armed forces Kasperquickly (talk) 03:49, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  The important things are you learned something about the planet, New Zealanders have a fairly hardy sense of humour and Australia doesn't exist. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:10, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  I’m not even Kiwi? It’s just unproductive and annoying to see snarky comments on discussion pages. 27.96.223.193 (talk) 12:34, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  A country is significant becuase it’s a country, and that’s a fact you cannot deny. We post elections because they are elections, we don’t get to pick and choose becuase they are objectively “unimportant” 27.96.223.193 (talk) 12:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on notability - this wasn't exactly the Sinking of the Moskva. 0 deaths and the destruction of an otherwise hardly notable ship with no indication this'll have any affect on the worldwide stage or as precedent for any future event. Before 48 hours ago, the article only had 2 paragraphs of prose, with none indicating particular significance beyond replacing the HMNZS Manawanui (A09) which itself is hardly notable. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 00:15, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support: New Zealand is a popular country, and sinking of navy ships of powerful Western countries are indeed rare. High Admiral JMT (talk) 01:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on notability - a curious incident, but not an important or apparently significant one. LocoTacoFever (talk) 01:14, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support Article is in good shape. Not unusual for an article to be greatly expanded (or even created) after an event. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:04, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Weak support No casualties, but the unintentional/accidental sinking of a sizable warship is above average notability-wise. The Kip ^(contribs) 04:56, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose — Insignificant event, non-notable subject. STSC (talk) 05:11, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Weak Oppose. Unfortunate event, but there were no casualties and the crew evacuated the ship safety. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 06:26, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Given her role (removing WW2 ordinance from shallow waters) it's unsurprising this grounding happened. Additionally, no fatalities mean relatively little impact -- other than embarrassment. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:18, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on importance. Ships regularly sink, buses crash, floods flood... Not a major story in international media. Sandstein 14:46, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support: ships (fairly) often sink, but warships don't often -- particularly in the RNZN, which only has a handful of them. I believe this is the first time a Commonwealth naval ship has had to be abandoned since the Falklands, and the first in a long time outside war. Article looks good. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

  It wasn't a warship, it was a support vessel that was tasked with removing unexploded WW2 ordnance. Kcmastrpc (talk) 18:52, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support — Unusual "accident" that happened under mysterious circumstances; becoming notable because of the likelihood of oil spill and the potential environmental disaster affecting the locals.[11] — STSC (talk) 17:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support — Maritime incident (sinking in this case) involving a state vessel. Don't dismiss it because it's an auxiliary (as opposed to a combatant). CoatCheck (talk) 17:36, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Failing to see any real impacts here besides being an expensive incident to clean up for the NZ navy. This actually IS a good item that DYK can cover if there's a bit more expansion of the article in the next few days. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:34, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose -- this doesn't seem to be a blurbworthy event. No one died, and it seems not to be being picked up in international news. -- Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 23:32, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose not a major event and has (fortunately) no deaths. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 09:45, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Oppose No deaths, minimal injuries. More a “Did you know that the HMNZS Manawanui is the first ship from New Zealand to sink in peacetime?” 27.96.223.193 (talk) 06:53, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

That's not correct, HMNZS Manuka sank in 1952 at its moorings. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 21:04, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support. NZ is one of the world’s major nations, the article is in good shape, and warships don’t sink fairly often. 64.114 etc 03:21, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support as with my main man. 2605:8D80:401:9506:71A2:F7E:99F4:3379 (talk) 03:24, 10 October 2024 (UTC) Suspected sock per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/64.114 etc.—Bagumba (talk) 10:21, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support This accident is unusual, and does "[involve] a [national] state vessel". Green light. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:1407:8831:3685:866E (talk) 03:27, 10 October 2024 (UTC) Suspected sock per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/64.114 etc.—Bagumba (talk) 10:21, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

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